subshakerz
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How many ATGs and in which categories?
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Is Ravindra Jadeja an ATG test bowler?
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There being less of them doesn't make them less valuable in general. I mean bowling wins you games more than batting, so shouldn't the bowlers be more valuable in general?
How many do you want?
What categories do you mean??? I thought I gave that already.
subshakerz
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How many pacers and spinners are ATG
Honestly, I go for 10 each if pushed. Think more are ATG but some people have issues with that.
Burgey
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We're at cross purposes. I'm not saying they're less valuable. I'm saying there's less of them to choose from, all the more so when some of them aren't always picked in their teams depending on the conditions they're playing in.
CricAddict
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Is this an answer by question game?
Burgey
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This is a terrible myth tbh.
subshakerz
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Doesn't sound like you thought about this a great deal yet seem to be very critical of others' ATG views.
subshakerz
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Yeah to get to the heart of the matter my friend.
Not really? Need 20 wickets to win.
There being less of them doesn't mean you have to pick more batters is my point. As Subs seems to want me to do.
I mean going by what I see this is exactly the amount of thought being put into this matter in general, so I'm fine.
Burgey
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Try defending 150 every game and see how it works for you.
You end up defending 150 because of the other team's bowling efforts earlier no? And if you have no bowling then see how the results are home and away. I mean you should know this of all people given the Australian journey post Lillee/Thomson into McGrath/Warne and up till now.
Socerer 01
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**** me how did this thread get so many posts
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Both batting and bowling are equally important. Cricket is a 11 player game.
You only have 4-5 bowlers though, vs 6+ batters and everyone being expected to bat. Let alone how Tests are won, where generally 20 wickets need to be taken in order to win.
Burgey
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Not directed at you here mate because it's something I've noticed come into prevalence the past few years generally, but the bolded is an affectation which is so pretentious and wanky it's the equivalent of coming in at 4-580 and making a run a ball wanker hundred then taking a pic of your name up on the honour board and splashing it on social media for everyone to see. I wish it would incur immediate infraction points. If I was sitting having a discussion with someone over a beer and they made a point by saying "blah blah blah, no?" I'd just get up and leave because they'd be an enormous ****ing toss pot.
But also, sometimes you end up defending 150 because your batting is crap. Look at SA. They've got an arsenal of legitimate quicks on hand and can barely beat time with a stick because their batting is just trash.
subshakerz
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Burgey's 'get off my lawn' moment lol.
Burgey
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Oh I have a lot of those tbh
But come on, if you were actually talking with someone and they bunged that on, you'd have to be physically restrained from killing them wouldn't you?
Slifer
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My criteria for atg are as follows:
Sure in for their Countries At XI
On the short list of players for a World AT Xi:
By country:
Aus: Lillee, McGrath, O'Reilly, Warne
WI: Ambrose, Marshall
NZ: Hadlee
Pak: Wasim, Imran
RSA: Steyn, Donald
SL: Murali
Ind: Bumrah (someday)
Eng: Trueman, Barnes, Verity (on the fence)
Apologies to the likes of Garner, Pollocks, Lindwall, Davidson, Laker, Holding, Waqar etc.