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Jacques Kallis vs Kumar Sangakkara ( as Test batsmen )

Who was the greater Test batsman?

  • Sangakkara

  • Kallis

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subshakerz

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OverratedSanity said:
So even you yourself wouldn't rate Ponting as high as Tendulkar but just vaguely gestured at "people" who would have done it as proof that you yourself are wrong? What.
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Stop muddying the conversation with 'but for the sake of argument...' takes. Do you agree that late career slumps affects ratings or not? It should be an obvious point and would apply to Ponting and any cricketer.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
PC is right, it seems; it looks like I voted for Kallis.

Or you could just use common sense to determine that much...
 
OverratedSanity

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kyear2 said:
The inconsistency behind this post is incredible considering all of you are waiting to see where Smith ends up averaging to see where to rate him.
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I already rate him on the Lara/Tendulkar tier and unlike hackfrauds like @subshakerz ,once I think a player has done enough to warrant being rated on par with someone, I dont then downgrade them because of a few bad years.

The waiting is to see whether he can move up. If he somehow puts together another run of form where he churns out another 10 hundreds, then I would rate him as the undisputed the best after Bradman. I'm not waiting for a slump so that I can downgrade him to the Kallis Sanga tier because I already think he's had a more impressive career than them.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

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subshakerz said:

Jacques Kallis vs Sachin Tendulkar

A recent thread had a top 50 list which put Kallis over Tendulkar. What is the consensus here between these two ATG test match bats? Test cricket batting only.
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Not to mention some votes are meme votes; I think if someone hadn't read what OP wrote (which everyone doesn't, especially it wasn't even on the poll); they could easily had interpreted it as Sachin vs Kallis as a complete player; which still is Sachin to me, but Kallis then has decent arguments.
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
kyear2 said:
The inconsistency behind this post is incredible considering all of you are waiting to see where Smith ends up averaging to see where to rate him.

But I guess the irony flew over your head.
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What, how is it inconsistent? If Smith retired at the time he was averaging 60, I wouldn’t rate him higher than Tendulkar. Most people on this forum wouldn’t either.

Smith’s average of 60 in this era was worth a lot more than Ponting’s though. Smith >>>>>> Ponting.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
OverratedSanity said:
I already rate him on the Lara/Tendulkar tier and unlike hackfrauds like @subshakerz ,once I think a player has done enough to warrant being rated on par with someone, I dont then downgrade them because of a few bad years.

The waiting is to see whether he can move up. If he somehow puts together another run of form where he churns out another 10 hundreds, then I would rate him as the undisputed the best after Bradman. I'm not waiting for a slump so that I can downgrade him to the Kallis Sanga tier because I already think he's had a more impressive career than them.
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In other words, once you like a bat, your rating of him will only stay the same or get better regardless of how he performs.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
kyear2 said:
The inconsistency behind this post is incredible considering all of you are waiting to see where Smith ends up averaging to see where to rate him.

But I guess the irony flew over your head.
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I don't think if Smith doesn't pull a Kohli post Covid type of run of form; he would drop significantly from my ratings. At worst, he might go under Lara; and if he pulls another spectacular run scoring spree; he might go over Sobers, Tendulkar and even Hobbs. And that's widely due to his success away; especially series like 2017 India or 2019 Ashes; which Ponting has none comparable.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
OverratedSanity said:
Strawman expert at it again. Yes we think Ponting wasn't very good.
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You should re read some of the above comments.

While you may have been an exception there were many who believed that he entered the conversation, and that's because he did. While how his career ended should be and is factored in to his overall rating, it doesn't take away from what he was during that time.

If Smith continues his struggles, would that take away from his earlier exploits? Did Viv's? I think I have him in the 12ish range which I believe is accurate enough.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
I don't think if Smith doesn't pull a Kohli post Covid type of run of form; he would drop significantly from my ratings. At worst, he might go under Lara; and if he pulls another spectacular run scoring spree; he might go over Sobers, Tendulkar and even Hobbs. And that's widely due to his success away; especially series like 2017 India or 2019 Ashes; which Ponting has none comparable.
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The same idea of a player going up or down based on a run of form would apply to Ponting mid-career.
 
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