Jacques Kallis vs Kumar Sangakkara ( as Test batsmen )

[kyear2]

Did you ever watch him play?

This was covered earlier when he basically acknowledged that he didn't. I think he's really early 20's.

When guys like @peterhrt or @Line and Length speak, I early listen to their observations and insight. They saw the greats, same as with @fredfertang. This version of 20 year old believes they know everything from a quick glance through statguru or through nationalistic lens.

 

[kyear2]

But its crazy to rate Viv around there.

As with Smith, there are tiers to this and Viv is in multiple above.
Guys like @peterhrt who actually saw him and some before him only rates Sachin and his namesake in the same breath as him.

But yes, fast is bad, and we've had this conversation too many times. Viv, Smith, Lara all in that same tier and for me also in the same tier as Sachin, Sobers and Hobbs. Lower in said tier, but in the same one.

 

[Coronis]

As with Smith, there are tiers to this and Viv is in multiple above.
Guys like @peterhrt who actually saw him and some before him only rates Sachin and his namesake in the same breath as him.

But yes, fast is bad, and we've had this conversation too many times. Viv, Smith, Lara all in that same tier and for me also in the same tier as Sachin, Sobers and Hobbs. Lower in said tier, but in the same one.

lol nah more like fast isn’t inherently better than slow for me, but yeah lets not go down that road again here.


mb, I thought you were saying in that post you had Smith at 12th or so which is why I commented what I did.

 

[kyear2]

lol nah more like fast isn’t inherently better than slow for me, but yeah lets not go down that road again here.


mb, I thought you were saying in that post you had Smith at 12th or so which is why I commented what I did.

Nooooo, Ponting.

You just critiqued my list a couple hours ago.

Smith is well above these guys. Think I have Viv 5th and Smith 6th, Lara 7th. Either Lara at 7 or the guy at 8 ends that tier for me.

 

[Coronis]

Nooooo, Ponting.

You just critiqued my list a couple hours ago.

Smith is well above these guys. Think I have Viv 5th and Smith 6th, Lara 7th. Either Lara at 7 or the guy at 8 ends that tier for me.

Ah ok cool, sorry my mistake then mate.

 

[kyear2]

Ah ok cool, sorry my mistake then mate.

No worries

 

[howitzer]

Nooooo, Ponting.

You just critiqued my list a couple hours ago.

Smith is well above these guys. Think I have Viv 5th and Smith 6th, Lara 7th. Either Lara at 7 or the guy at 8 ends that tier for me.

Hutton?

 

[shortpitched713]

Unless my memory is totally washed. I distinctly recall Ponting at intervals challenging Lara and Sachin as the best is the world. And one point eventually was. Just from watching and not dicing into stat guru, can't place those guys ahead of him.

And then Sanga's performance started blowing everyone out of the water, and we started losing sense of what numbers meant ( and then Smith took it up another notch entirely towards the end of the flat pitch era).

Just because Ponting was in the conversation earlier, doesn't make him better.

 

[shortpitched713]

I don't have time for this whole thread but did subs manage to drive everyone to Kallis's camp with an asinine "Kallis's runs somehow hurt his team" level of argument?

 

[shortpitched713]

Sangakkara retired with an average of 57.4; I don't think their are many who rate him higher than Sachin.

I do. But it's not as simple as just looking at averages.

 

[Socerer 01]

you would be surprised at how many people do this for Sangakkara and Kallis

hence proved

 

[shortpitched713]

I take Sanga for peak, obviously Tendulkar for longevity.

Overall, I'm definitely picking Sanga, especially if we cherry pick, and only consider his record when not keeping. But regardless of that have to give Sanga the edge.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Hayden > Tendulkar too

 

[Coronis]

hence proved

More exception that proves the rule imo

 

[subshakerz]

I don't have time for this whole thread but did subs manage to drive everyone to Kallis's camp with an asinine "Kallis's runs somehow hurt his team" level of argument?

Kallis love is rampant on this board.

Criticizing Kallis' ability to accelerate most of his career is a standard argument.

 

[anil1405]

Kallis love is rampant on this board.

What's rampant and evident is clear for everyone to see.

 

[Bolo.]

Kallis love is rampant on this board.

Criticizing Kallis' ability to accelerate most of his career is a standard argument.

Give a dog a bone... Maybe i should not have posted this.

On the bright side, after 1000 (or more) aniti-kallis posts, you are finally posting a legitimate criticism.