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During the PSL?Yeah this is a reasonable point. Guess the problem is finding the time for the extra games in the schedule.
During the PSL?Yeah this is a reasonable point. Guess the problem is finding the time for the extra games in the schedule.
I don't care if India plays the next WTC final or not, it's clear to me that at least the Indian board cares more about IPL than any other ICC trophy! But even if Pak or SL played in Eng would you be singing the same tune? For some reason it's India & so it's okay?What advantage though? All I hear about on here is Aus hasn't won a series in England since 2001, but it's suddenly a massive advantage for them? Spare me this crap. The venues were neutral. Are you saying "neutral" means "equally favours quicks and spin heavy attacks"? Because those pitches don't exist.
Guess what? India doesn't have a monopoly on heat. What make might a general disadvantage for fast bowlers in Asia? The lack of grass and moisture in the pitches. That's significantly controlled by the groundsman.I said conditions overall - not just the pitch. Why do you think India is so hard to bowl in for pacers from SA/NZ/Oz or Eng? Just the pitches or something else as well? It's because it's hot - you don't see 8 or 10 over spells except in cooler seasons. Likewise our spinners don't always bowl longer spells away from Asia because the pacers can bowl longer spells. The fundamental makeup of the attack is different & their roles are different - implicitly pacers in general are at a disadvantage in Asia, that's just a fact. Same goes for spinners outside Asia, not talking about the odd track which can turn square but S.E.N.A. countries in general. I also have an issue with Eng hosting every WTC final in 2 years - first of all the cycle should be 4 years. More importantly finals should have at least one home & away test between the finalists - why is that not more fair?
but i was told Jadeja was a hackfraud who can’t bowl outside of Indian dustbowls????Your definition of neutral, looking at your venue-based complaints, seems to be a venue that favours your side. A for last years' final while I'd concede the usually grassy pitch favoured Australia more than normal, it doesn't mean it was't a neutral venue in the normally understood sense.
The Oval pitch last year was dry underneath and took sharp turn - no one forced India to drop Ashwin. And even given it was grassier than usual, India don't have a bad pace attack - contrarily, it's a pretty good one. Just wasn't good on day 1.
At ground ENG: Kennington Oval, London Start of match date between 27 Feb 2013 and 27 Feb 2024 Ordered by wickets taken (descending) Overall figures
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Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 SCJ Broad (ENG) 2013-2023 9 16 271.1 53 866 28 4/41 7/86 30.92 3.19 58.1 0 0 JM Anderson (ENG) 2013-2023 8 15 269.4 81 710 24 4/95 5/99 29.58 2.63 67.4 0 0 CR Woakes (ENG) 2013-2023 6 11 187.0 51 562 23 4/50 7/111 24.43 3.00 48.7 0 0 MM Ali (ENG) 2014-2023 7 10 152.0 15 627 17 4/45 4/54 36.88 4.12 53.6 0 0 RA Jadeja (IND) 2018-2023 3 6 165.0 21 458 15 4/79 7/258 30.53 2.77 66.0 0 0 MA Starc (AUS) 2013-2023 4 8 126.2 16 528 15 4/82 8/182 35.20 4.17 50.5 0 0 NM Lyon (AUS) 2013-2023 4 8 124.0 24 337 14 4/41 5/60 24.07 2.71 53.1 0 0 MR Marsh (AUS) 2015-2023 3 6 70.2 11 250 13 5/46 7/86 19.23 3.55 32.4 1 0 OE Robinson (ENG) 2021-2022 2 4 78.3 24 232 12 5/49 7/89 19.33 2.95 39.2 1 0 BA Stokes (ENG) 2015-2023 6 6 92.0 13 365 12 3/39 3/39 30.41 3.96 46.0 0 0 PJ Cummins (AUS) 2019-2023 3 6 108.5 16 434 11 3/83 5/151 39.45 3.98 59.3 0 0
Do note the presence of 'Nathan Lyon' and 'Ravindra Jadeja' at comparable averages to most of the fast bowlers.
1? Don't flatter them mate. They usually get bagelled here.At home, England only cheat against Australia. In recent memory, I can't recall an England Ashes where they haven't had an outrageous cheating incident. I mean, it's fair because it's what England are, but Australia not losing a series there in yonkers, despite the cheating, is a real moral victory. None of this 4-1 capitulation style stuff that England like to throw up when touring.
The pitches are generally slower & it doesn't swing much with the new ball. Again a lot to do with heat.What make might a general disadvantage for fast bowlers in Asia? The lack of grass and moisture in the pitches. That's significantly controlled by the groundsman.
Right & why we can't we have two tests between finalists in their home/away venue, like UEFA semis?Same goes overseas. Even if the conditions in England are cool and good for growing grass during the season, they can still cut it off.
No, I don't care who's playing in it. As I said, it should always be at Lord's imo. But no matter where it's played, if the venue isn't a home ground for either of the teams playing, it's a neutral venue ffs.I don't care if India plays the next WTC final or not, it's clear to me that at least the Indian board cares more about IPL than any other ICC trophy! But even if Pak or SL played in Eng would you be singing the same tune? For some reason it's India & so it's okay?
If you really want to make it more fair you would try to neutralize the conditions aspect of the game as much as possible, over 5 days the conditions would make the biggest difference to any outcome in a game of cricket. This is why it's much easier to win a T20 vs Oz in Oz than say a test over 5-6 days.
The pitches are slow in England too. And if there was more live grass on Indian pitches, they'd be quicker, like the Day/Night match against Bangladesh. Many bowlers rely mainly on seam movement these days anyway.The pitches are generally slower & it doesn't swing much with the new ball. Again a lot to do with heat.
I think on Mars the pitch might be a little dusty (and hence subcontinent-friendly) tbh. Then again, it's pretty bouncy so it may favour overspinners more.outside of playing on Mars idk how you could get a completely 100% neutral test for a 1 off test
I think India seem to have found a couple of very promising young bats, added to the fact that the pitches are less helpful. I wasn't entirely sure that the 3 specialist spinner pick for the first couple of tests was a great idea either.Dawson probably should've come in, and otherwise they could've just tried an extra pacer anyway (Wood or a Lions pacer call up), since the bowlers all seem to know how to swing a bat.
Fact is, this time around England gave away more runs and took wickets more slowly compared to 2021, which honestly doesn't make them look that impressive even accounting for pitch differences.
Pitch factor does matter, but even then you could definitely say England should've pivoted a bit towards fielding more bowlers. The English spinners lacked control compared to India, and the English pacers haven't been good enough to make up for that. It's hard to exert control over the runscoring if Root is a 5th option who's getting the overs of a 4th option bowler at times. No amount of batting can make up for conceding even more runs with the bowling.I think India seem to have found a couple of very promising young bats, added to the fact that the pitches are less helpful. I wasn't entirely sure that the 3 specialist spinner pick for the first couple of tests was a great idea either.
Root was playing as a spinner first 3 tests,Dawson was an absolute must, he is an allrounder that can bat at no.7 and was the best county spinner last year and avged 40 with the bat.Dawson also has the consistent control that Hartley lacked due to his experience.Dawson probably should've come in, and otherwise they could've just tried an extra pacer anyway (Wood or a Lions pacer call up), since the bowlers all seem to know how to swing a bat.
Fact is, this time around England gave away more runs and took wickets more slowly compared to 2021, which honestly doesn't make them look that impressive even accounting for pitch differences.
Yes, I too do think England with Dawson would have been very difficult to beat for this young Indian team. That's a major blunder by the English selectors.Root was playing as a spinner first 3 tests,Dawson was an absolute must, he is an allrounder that can bat at no.7 and was the best county spinner last year and avged 40 with the bat.Dawson also has the consistent control that Hartley lacked due to his experience.
Not picking him proved to cost England the series.
Picking one seamer in the most seamer friendly pitch in vizag was also a wrong call
In this test, picking two medium paced seamers was also an error. A quick like Atkinson or Wood would've been effective on a pitch with alot of variable bounce, a quick fast bowler had a higher chance of getting tail enders like kuldeep out early which would've prevented the Indian comeback and been game, set match England.
This was the issue with playing rookie spinners who had barely played that many games. Of course they wouldn't have the same control compared with the Indian spinners. Even experienced spinners of the past have barely managed that or they are county rollers who barely spin the ball more than a club hack like me! Yes, the strategic structure of what they picked wasn't really good enough, but that said what it boils down to was that India's batters and bowlers have collectively been comfortably better over the series and few of us have predicted much different.Pitch factor does matter, but even then you could definitely say England should've pivoted a bit towards fielding more bowlers. The English spinners lacked control compared to India, and the English pacers haven't been good enough to make up for that. It's hard to exert control over the runscoring if Root is a 5th option who's getting the overs of a 4th option bowler at times. No amount of batting can make up for conceding even more runs with the bowling.
You don't tend to anyway even in countries that favour fast bowling.I said conditions overall - not just the pitch. Why do you think India is so hard to bowl in for pacers from SA/NZ/Oz or Eng? Just the pitches or something else as well? It's because it's hot - you don't see 8 or 10 over spells except in cooler seasons. Likewise our spinners don't always bowl longer spells away from Asia because the pacers can bowl longer spells. The fundamental makeup of the attack is different & their roles are different - implicitly pacers in general are at a disadvantage in Asia, that's just a fact. Same goes for spinners outside Asia, not talking about the odd track which can turn square but S.E.N.A. countries in general. I also have an issue with Eng hosting every WTC final in 2 years - first of all the cycle should be 4 years. More importantly finals should have at least one home & away test between the finalists - why is that not more fair?