Coronis
International Coach
Which Chappell?
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What will Pat Cummins’ legacy be?
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Well we are on CW are we not?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Ian obviously.
ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
They were both cheats.
Since Cummins "second debut" in 2017, Anderson has taken 223 wickets from 61 matches at 22.08; Cummins 251 wickets at 22.29 from 57 matches; Broad 236 at 26.33 from 65. Cummins has the best overall Ashes average (91@24); Broad 69@31; Anderson 30@36 but Anderson has the superior records in away Ashes - 26 v 27 v 36 (Anderson, Cummins, Broad).
More widely, Anderson averages 18.5 in Asia and 22.09 away from home (22.07 at home). Broad has barely played in Asia over that period and averages a bit more away than home (29 v 25). Cummins is basically a home track bully - average 19 at home, 27 away and 30 in Asia.
Burgey is correct to say Anderson only does well in favourable conditions - those conditions being anywhere in Europe (22.07), Asia (18.5), the Americas (24.5), Africa (19.88) and Oceania (23.9).
More widely, Anderson averages 18.5 in Asia and 22.09 away from home (22.07 at home). Broad has barely played in Asia over that period and averages a bit more away than home (29 v 25). Cummins is basically a home track bully - average 19 at home, 27 away and 30 in Asia.
Burgey is correct to say Anderson only does well in favourable conditions - those conditions being anywhere in Europe (22.07), Asia (18.5), the Americas (24.5), Africa (19.88) and Oceania (23.9).
Coronis
International Coach
So… maybe 5th Aussie pacer?
Coronis
International Coach
McGrath and Lindwall open for me, Davidson is first change. Lillee is part of the squad, cheering on Greg with Rod. Cummins could enter the picture in the future - we’ll see how his career goes.
(Note: I rate Davidson above Lindwall personally - I have him at first change as I believe Lindwall is a better foil for McGrath)
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Cummins is easily my favorite Aussie cricketer ever behind Keith Miller (low bar though) so I'd love for him to end up as the greatest Australian bowler. Realistically though I think his ceiling is to barely make the Aus ATXI. They have such a stacked historical lineup. Off the top of my head, my lineup would have McGrath and Davidson take the new ball, Lillee and Cummins first change, and then Warne and Miller. Plenty of firepower there.
mr_mister
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So Davidson and Miller in the top 7?
nightprowler10
Global Moderator
Davidson yes, but Miller is the team as an all rounder. With that line up might not even be needed.
Might do Battle of the Australians Mk III once Cummins retires.
Might do Battle of the Australians Mk III once Cummins retires.
TheJediBrah
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That's only 4 specialist batsmen. Definitely at least 1 bower too many there
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Surprisingly bowling with the older ball is a relevant skill that’s valuable in a team
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I think the more realistic question to ask is if Cummins will end up ahead of Lillee? I think he will.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I think no he won't. CW really does Lillee the dirtiest....
Red_Ink_Squid
Global Moderator
Yeah I think it's likely that Cummins will end up being ranked greater than Lillee in the CW hive mind and behind Lillee in popular consciousness (unless he has some more very special series) - but that's more demonstrative of the varying views there are on Lillee.
