Well obviously as I didn't include Starc in my post
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What will Pat Cummins’ legacy be?
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People cummin over a first change bowler. What has Test cricket become?
Line and Length
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Joel Garner was a first change bowler and is considered highly.
Fuller Pilch
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Agree. Also Wagner (arguably better than Boult and Southee) was/is a 2nd change bowler/4th seamer. I actually rate Cummins higher as a bowler (and captain) to not need to take the new ball and still be such a huge threat.
Burgey
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I wasn’t laughing at you having that job, more at the idea the Party has policies and that the job actually exists.You've known that for ages ffs
TheJediBrah
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Worst part of this (and that's saying something) is that you think Lee and Johnson were better than Gillespie
TheJediBrah
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The fact that he bowls first change is even more impressive. He'd have a better record if he got the new rock
Coronis
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Whats wrong with first change bowlers?
Nintendo
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Only beta male's are cummin before first change. Me and Qlder, being from the glorious state of queensland, have never encountered this issue.
Coronis
International Coach
Speaking of first (or second) change bowlers heres some stats for them.
Kallis 223 @ 32.15
Wagner 205 @ 29.43
Walsh 189 @ 26.67
Botham 163 @ 25.25
Morkel 148 @ 29.87
Cummins 132 @ 21.18
Garner 129 @ 21.86
Marshall 113 @ 23.80
Rabada 87 @ 25.45 (only up til 2020)
Holding 78 @ 23.07
Fraser 68 @ 22.02
Clark 63 @ 22.57
Jamieson 63 @ 17.79
Pollock 57 @ 22.03
Kallis 223 @ 32.15
Wagner 205 @ 29.43
Walsh 189 @ 26.67
Botham 163 @ 25.25
Morkel 148 @ 29.87
Cummins 132 @ 21.18
Garner 129 @ 21.86
Marshall 113 @ 23.80
Rabada 87 @ 25.45 (only up til 2020)
Holding 78 @ 23.07
Fraser 68 @ 22.02
Clark 63 @ 22.57
Jamieson 63 @ 17.79
Pollock 57 @ 22.03
Gob
International Coach
Obviously the legacies being *** tapes, six and out, not bowling on the pitch
Socerer 01
International Captain
Qlder providing quality entertainment as usual
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Cummins' records in England and India is not unsalvageable.
If he gets his average in England below 25, and his average in India below 30, I would consider him in the top ten ATG pacers. He really needs a strong series in India though.
As a captain, he will end up in the 'good' captain categories of Steve Waugh, Clarke, etc. But outside the great captains of Chappell, Benaud and Taylor. Again, this may change with a major triumph but given that much of his all star crew is retiring, he may not get another change.
If he gets his average in England below 25, and his average in India below 30, I would consider him in the top ten ATG pacers. He really needs a strong series in India though.
As a captain, he will end up in the 'good' captain categories of Steve Waugh, Clarke, etc. But outside the great captains of Chappell, Benaud and Taylor. Again, this may change with a major triumph but given that much of his all star crew is retiring, he may not get another change.
TheJediBrah
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No one outside a small segment of CW cares about this **** bro
GIMH
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Anderson averages like 26 overall, the idea he’s entirely conditions dependent is a relic from over a decade ago. But it seems a strange point to make when comparing him to Broad, compare their records in Asia for example.
Also he’s averaged under 30 in five Ashes series, so you can take the one decent series point and stick it too.
Dickhead.
Good post otherwise
Fuller Pilch
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He's taken 117 wickets in 39 Ashes tests so even with my poor mathematical skills that's a WPM of exactly 3 which isn't flash for a new ball bowler.
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It’s bog average.
Socerer 01
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a growing no of idiots on reddit are into this **** too unfortunately
GIMH
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His overall Ashes record isn’t flash, but it doesn’t contradict what I said.
Excellent in 10-11, 2015. Good in 13, decent in 17-18, 21-22. Had his moments in 2009 but trailed off horrendously. Below par in 13-14, should have been nowhere near the tour in 06-07. Last year obviously poor.