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The Points Table/Standings

Victor Ian

International Coach
This was a well strategized loss by NZ. I think they are best suited to upset the Indian juggernaut in the semis. And Australia are probably best suited to make South Africa fear the choke in the semis. That said, South Africa really have been something else this world cup.
 

RossTaylorsBox

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So gap between NZ and Pak in terms of NRR was 360-370 runs, now it is down to 168 runs.

If Pakistan wins by even 50 runs/8 overs, gap will decrease by 100 runs, leaving just 68 run buffer.

So NZ will have to beat SL by some margin to push it up and hope that Pak isn't able to make it up in their last game v Eng.

In fact, even Afghanistan can come right into contention based on NRR with a big win over Netherlands tomorrow. NZ have really made it hard for themselves through sheer stupidity.
Thinking about these NRR scenarios and how much you should lose by is such a dumb mentality, just beat Pakistan.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
This was a well strategized loss by NZ. I think they are best suited to upset the Indian juggernaut in the semis. And Australia are probably best suited to make South Africa fear the choke in the semis. That said, South Africa really have been something else this world cup.
If SA beat India and win their other games the Saffas will finish top.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Thinking about these NRR scenarios and how much you should lose by is such a dumb mentality, just beat Pakistan.
NZ might not even be favs going into the Pakistan game so have to also consider other possibility of qualifying thru NRR in case things go pear shaped.

NZ had lost three games in a row in the 2019 WC too and qualified over Pakistan only on superior NRR. Both had finished with 5 wins each.

So this is a very relevant conversation. And there are uncanny similarities to 2019 so far.

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TheJediBrah

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Thinking about these NRR scenarios and how much you should lose by is such a dumb mentality, just beat Pakistan.
It's interesting though. Hypothetically imagine a scenario where it was the last game that would decide the finals placings, NZ v Pakistan and Pakistan bat first and make 350. Now say if NZ win they make it, but Pakistan have to win by a certain margin to make it. Potentially you could have a situation where NZ need 351 to win the match but only need, say 260, to lose but still make the finals on NRR.

Is the right call to go for the 351 and potentially get bowled out for 180 or play it safer and chase the 260, which should give you the best chance of making it.
 

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
Thinking about these NRR scenarios and how much you should lose by is such a dumb mentality, just beat Pakistan.
Incorrect - now that NZ have failed at the respectable and competitive approach to qualifying for the semi-finals, I hope we lose to Pakistan, lose to Sri Lanka, Pakistan choke in their other match and we make the semi-finals by 0.01 NRR differential. Then we pull a performance absolutely out of our arses to beat India and mankad 8 Australian batsmen to win the final.

#SpiritOfAntiCricket
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Incorrect - now that NZ have failed at the respectable and competitive approach to qualifying for the semi-finals, I hope we lose to Pakistan, lose to Sri Lanka, Pakistan choke in their other match and we make the semi-finals by 0.01 NRR differential. Then we pull a performance absolutely out of our arses to beat India and mankad 8 Australian batsmen to win the final.

#SpiritOfAntiCricket
:laugh:
 

Cruxdude

International Debutant
It's interesting though. Hypothetically imagine a scenario where it was the last game that would decide the finals placings, NZ v Pakistan and Pakistan bat first and make 350. Now say if NZ win they make it, but Pakistan have to win by a certain margin to make it. Potentially you could have a situation where NZ need 351 to win the match but only need, say 260, to lose but still make the finals on NRR.

Is the right call to go for the 351 and potentially get bowled out for 180 or play it safer and chase the 260, which should give you the best chance of making it.
Remember South Africa trying to do something similar in the 2007 T20 WC and end up getting knocked out
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
It's interesting though. Hypothetically imagine a scenario where it was the last game that would decide the finals placings, NZ v Pakistan and Pakistan bat first and make 350. Now say if NZ win they make it, but Pakistan have to win by a certain margin to make it. Potentially you could have a situation where NZ need 351 to win the match but only need, say 260, to lose but still make the finals on NRR.

Is the right call to go for the 351 and potentially get bowled out for 180 or play it safer and chase the 260, which should give you the best chance of making it.
Always go for the win.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
It's interesting though. Hypothetically imagine a scenario where it was the last game that would decide the finals placings, NZ v Pakistan and Pakistan bat first and make 350. Now say if NZ win they make it, but Pakistan have to win by a certain margin to make it. Potentially you could have a situation where NZ need 351 to win the match but only need, say 260, to lose but still make the finals on NRR.

Is the right call to go for the 351 and potentially get bowled out for 180 or play it safer and chase the 260, which should give you the best chance of making it.
Anything except for making sure you get 260 is idiotic and should result in sackings if they don’t go for that over a win. Assuming it’s a mathematical certainty and not relying on other factors or things, in which case if there is the slightest doubt, you should go for the win.
 

TheJediBrah

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Anything except for making sure you get 260 is idiotic and should result in sackings if they don’t go for that over a win. Assuming it’s a mathematical certainty and not relying on other factors or things, in which case if there is the slightest doubt, you should go for the win.
We have to assume the it's a certainty and we don't have South African team management doing the calculations

I tend to agree. I can imagine the team getting crucified if they missed out on making the finals in this way.

IIRC something a bit similar happened in the 2001/02 Tri Series between Aus/SA/NZ. SA wanted to play NZ in the finals other than Aus so in their final group game SA did just what they had to do in order to get NZ through rather than beat Australia. Now they may not have been able to chase the target anyway but the end result was that SA got to play NZ in the finals which they won easily
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
India can even afford to lose to SA next and can make up the NRR in the last group game vs Netherlands to finish 1st in the table.

In fact, (although India won't do this and shouldn't) but it might be a good underhand strategy to rest key players and lose to SA and then decide in the final group game of the WC vs Netherlands where you want to finish in the table!

India can choose to finish 1st by winning handsomely vs Netherlands or choose to finish 2nd by winning less handsomely. This way India can literally pick their opponent for the semi final. Ofcourse India won't do this. But just hypothetically speaking.
 
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