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*Official* Srilanka and New Zealand LO tours to India - Jan 2023

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G. S. Kohli

International Vice-Captain
nzfan said:
HNY Lads... been a while since I posted. Life has gotten busy and thought will never be back online discussing cricket but there you go now have a break from work for a bit.

Super stoked at the last inning from Bracewell, have to say that is one of the very best one day knocks I have ever watched and I've watched a lot of cricket. He's making it a bit of a habit of late. He's turning into Maxwell, Pandya, Stokes zone of late. The frequency at which he picked the gaps was phenomenal. Santner has improved his batting so much too, he is now looking like a near proper batsman. More like a no.6 or 7. Phillips at 5 (I think he still needs to improve his range particularly off side and straight, he could be tied bowling one side of the wicket slightly fuller), Allen at 6, Bracewell at 7, and Santner at 8 will do for me for the WC later this year. Finn Allen of late has given up on his USP and trying to bat time which is taking away his ability to put pressure on the bowlers. I'd rather have him at no.5 or 6.

Would love to us move on from Nicholls, he's just not offering much for quite some time now.
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Nicholas was super successful in NZ vs India as opener, won player of the match award.

My favorite nz opener were Turner/ Jarvis i listen on radio their stand of 382 in test.

Rodney Redmond too terrific opener in one test wonder vs pakistan, hits 165 on debut.

Well i am old timer.
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
nzfan said:
HNY Lads... been a while since I posted. Life has gotten busy and thought will never be back online discussing cricket but there you go now have a break from work for a bit.

Super stoked at the last inning from Bracewell, have to say that is one of the very best one day knocks I have ever watched and I've watched a lot of cricket. He's making it a bit of a habit of late. He's turning into Maxwell, Pandya, Stokes zone of late. The frequency at which he picked the gaps was phenomenal. Santner has improved his batting so much too, he is now looking like a near proper batsman. More like a no.6 or 7. Phillips at 5 (I think he still needs to improve his range particularly off side and straight, he could be tied bowling one side of the wicket slightly fuller), Allen at 6, Bracewell at 7, and Santner at 8 will do for me for the WC later this year. Finn Allen of late has given up on his USP and trying to bat time which is taking away his ability to put pressure on the bowlers. I'd rather have him at no.5 or 6.

Would love to us move on from Nicholls, he's just not offering much for quite some time now.
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Conway, Allen is a fine opening pair. Conway can bat long while Allen can give those quick starts. Just need a quick 30/40 from him. Williamson, Latham and Mitchell at 3-5 can bat through most of the overs and Philips-Bracewell-Santner-Jamieson from 6-9 can give the required finish with Ferguson/Southee/Boult taking up the last 2 spots. Sodhi can come in for a pacer in case of a spinning pitch. ODI team looks well settled now with batting till 9 and 7 proper bowlers.
 
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G. S. Kohli

International Vice-Captain
CricAddict said:
Conway, Allen is a fine opening pair. Conway can bat long while Allen can give those quick starts. Just need a quick 30/40 from him. Williamson, Latham and Mitchell at 3-5 can bat through most of the overs and Philips-Bracewell-Santner-Jamieson from 6-9 can give the required finish with Ferguson/Southee/Boult taking up the last 2 spots. Sodhi can come in for a pacer in case of a spinning pitch. ODI team looks well settled now with batting till 9 and 7 proper bowlers.
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You can not trust allen's strike rate steady. He is at high risk being out, i would like nicholas to open
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
CricAddict said:
I am afraid India is in for a shellacking tomorrow. You mentioned you didn't trust Kishan and then he got a double. Then, you mention you don't trust Gill and right on cue, he got one as well.
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@vcs can still save us by badmouthing Virat and a couple of other key players. Don't lose hope yet.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Jeepers, Bracewell (M) needs his own thread, I reckon.

It's too early to tell, but what I reckon we have is an incredibly handy limited overs option now. He is powerful, he can hit at the death, he's not consistent but can take apart good attacks as he did the other night. And a bowling RPO of under 5 in ODIs is insanely good. It's not like he's a Mustafizur/Ajantha Mendis type that starts off hard to pick and teams work him out...he's bowling stock standard offies and being hard to get away. There's no reason that will change, necessarily. Obviously massively handy in a sub-continent World Cup.

And he now has three insane rearguard innings in the space of a year. The 141* from 24-4 for Wellington, the 127* v Ireland and the latest one. A lot of guys don't get that in a career. Clearly he has some mental steel about him, which is what the selectors plumped for over and above his pretty mediocre record.

Still think myself and others were right to criticise the selection, he shouldn't be in the Test side (apart from the sub-continent) and his scores before this 140 for NZ were 7, 8, 43, 0, 74*, 5, 3, 11, 1*, 0*, 0 12, 7, 14*, 6 and 31...so let's not get carried away, just yet. One hell of a marker for what he can achieve, however.
 
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Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
SteveNZ said:
Jeepers, Bracewell (M) needs his own thread, I reckon.

It's too early to tell, but what I reckon we have is an incredibly handy limited overs option now. He is powerful, he can hit at the death, he's not consistent but can take apart good attacks as he did the other night. And a bowling RPO of under 5 in ODIs is insanely good. It's not like he's a Mustafizur/Ajantha Mendis type that starts off hard to pick and teams work him out...he's bowling stock standard offies and being hard to get away. There's no reason that will change, necessarily. Obviously massively handy in a sub-continent World Cup.

And he now has three insane rearguard innings in the space of a year. The 141* from 24-4 for Wellington, the 127* v Ireland and the latest one. A lot of guys don't get that in a career. Clearly he has some mental steel about him, which is what the selectors plumped for over and above his pretty mediocre record.

Still think myself and others were right to criticise the selection, he shouldn't be in the Test side (apart from the sub-continent) and his scores before this 140 for NZ were 7, 8, 43, 0, 74*, 5, 3, 11, 1*, 0*, 0 12, 7, 14*, 6 and 31...so let's not get carried away, just yet. One hell of a marker for what he can achieve, however.
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How much of his 140 was because there was dew and it became a batsman's paradise? Anyway don't mean to dis credit him.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
The deck was good for batting all game. Tickner bowled a 142kph bouncer that's still on its way now.

This is a good scouting opportunity for the wc. We'll need to be ready for slow decks. Variations, changes of pace etc
 
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Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
Ten Random Comments

1 Am looking forward to the game tonight. This series has captured my attention. Playing India in India is as hard as it gets. A real test to benchmark the blackcaps world cup chances.
2 Thought tickner bowled well and looed the part at least in his first spell
3 With our seam attack should we keep a slip until the 15th over. At least two went through their for four runs.
4 Santner is a better ODI spinner than his Indian counterparts. As hard as that it is to even type or believe about a NZ spinner.
5 Santner because of the batting that he offers in addition to his bowling is one of the leaders of the team and a core asset for NZ cricket.
6 We need to have a long hard think about who bats four and five. Where is Will Young?
7 Mitchell if he is to play needs to offer something with the ball. He is not good enough to be in the team for batting alone. As mentioned can he be closer with the ball like he does for Northern Districts.
8 I hope Sodhi plays tonight ahead of shipley
9 Tom Latham is the best captain NZ have ever had. Better than Howarth. Had we taken either of those sodas against Gill we would have won.
10 I think Mitchell Latham and Phillips need to take accountability for that loss two days ago. They should be our engine room and instead scored 9, 24 and eleven.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Hurricane2 said:
How much of his 140 was because there was dew and it became a batsman's paradise? Anyway don't mean to dis credit him.
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Might have helped him, but it was an insanely skilled,measured knock. I've seen it compared to Stoinis at Eden Park, but this was much better. Not many guys could do that from no.7, which is both encouraging and a rod for the own back if he goes back to the runs he'd scored previously
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
G. S. Kohli said:
My favorite nz opener were Turner/ Jarvis i listen on radio their stand of 382 in test.
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Wow! In 1972 was there live radio coverage of NZ touring the West Indies? Amazing.

Did you watch any matches with the great Indian spin quartet of the 70s bowling? If so how were they compared to Kumble, Harby, Ashwin, Jadeja etc.?
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Hurricane2 said:
Ten Random Comments

1 Am looking forward to the game tonight. This series has captured my attention. Playing India in India is as hard as it gets. A real test to benchmark the blackcaps world cup chances.
2 Thought tickner bowled well and looed the part at least in his first spell
3 With our seam attack should we keep a slip until the 15th over. At least two went through their for four runs.
4 Santner is a better ODI spinner than his Indian counterparts. As hard as that it is to even type or believe about a NZ spinner.
5 Santner because of the batting that he offers in addition to his bowling is one of the leaders of the team and a core asset for NZ cricket.
6 We need to have a long hard think about who bats four and five. Where is Will Young?
7 Mitchell if he is to play needs to offer something with the ball. He is not good enough to be in the team for batting alone. As mentioned can he be closer with the ball like he does for Northern Districts.
8 I hope Sodhi plays tonight ahead of shipley
9 Tom Latham is the best captain NZ have ever had. Better than Howarth. Had we taken either of those sodas against Gill we would have won.
10 I think Mitchell Latham and Phillips need to take accountability for that loss two days ago. They should be our engine room and instead scored 9, 24 and eleven.
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Mostly v good points except 9 and 3
Fleming was a much better captain than Latham. A better captain would've kept a slip in (point 3). McCullum who probably overrated as captain definitely would've
 
S

Socerer 01

International Captain
Fuller Pilch said:
Wow! In 1972 was there live radio coverage of NZ touring the West Indies? Amazing.

Did you watch any matches with the great Indian spin quartet of the 70s bowling? If so how were they compared to Kumble, Harby, Ashwin, Jadeja etc.?
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dude claims to have a lil sister impressed with Shipley for his looks and also claims to have listened to a radio for a NZ match vs Windies in the 70s in India….

kinda not buying the timelines here
 
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Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
Fuller Pilch said:
Mostly v good points except 9 and 3
Fleming was a much better captain than Latham. A better captain would've kept a slip in (point 3). McCullum who probably overrated as captain definitely would've
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I have through lurking read a large number of your posts and like all your comments. I only post these days when a particular series captures my attention. (I used to be a prolific poster on this message board about 6 or 7 years ago)

You made a comment to me, or at least I think it was you, two weeks ago wanted to respond to it.
"Hurricane I hope you are not commenting that Phillips is restricted with his off side play based on just viewing him in this inning".

This will be a rambling response and I am only making it to kill time before the game. Apologies if some of this is how to suck eggs !!!

No I have seen him in other innings, but 90% of my comment was yes stimulated by his turgid innings in the 1st ODI against Pakistan.
When I was 15 I selected from my school to go to the Hamilton Under 16 rep trials. Was given 10 minutes batting in the nets and that was my shot at it. The selectors watch you and completely judge your entire technique and skill as a batsman based on a ten minute net. As a side bar to this story before I continue with my main point. I was not selected as although I didn't get out, have my bat beaten or play a single false stroke, I didn't hit any boundary shots in my inning and the selectors take note of how hard you can hit the ball into the side netting, rightly or wrongly they want to see attacking shots, and I didn't get any loose balls in my knock as all the bowlers were on trial and trying their best.
Anyway selectors in the reps completely assess you off a ten minute net.
In premier club cricket and all club cricket I played in we would assess an opposition batsman within his first 6 or 7 deliveries he faced and customise the field, and the bowler would line up where to bowl. When you get really good at cricket you can assess a batsman just from his grip and stance before he faces his first ball. For example, a grip low on the handle means a leg side player and if you can see a bit of handle beneath his bottom hand and a grip higher up the handle then he is an off side player.

Phillips batted for about an hour in that first ODI and that was enough for me and to size him up (although again I had watched him before).
You have to get quick at assessing batsman just to play club cricket to a high standard.
 
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G. S. Kohli

International Vice-Captain
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