Jacques Kallis vs Imran Khan

[ataraxia]

I am sure 1 year of international cricket in that era was enough evidence he was a better batsman than the top 6 of every other team.

I mean, he acquitted himself pretty well the rest of the era...



btw, as often with Imran stats, I did not realise just how amazing it was until statsguru'ng.

 

[honestbharani]

I mean, he acquitted himself pretty well the rest of the era...

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btw, as often with Imran stats, I did not realise just how amazing it was until statsguru'ng.

Yep, the thing with Imran's batting is his stats are always great on statsguru and yet no one really remembers his batting. Tells you all you need to know why its laughable that he will make the top 6 of "every other team" of the era.

 

[ataraxia]

Imran would make most sides in the 80s as a pure bat at no.6 IMO.

Yep, the thing with Imran's batting is his stats are always great on statsguru and yet no one really remembers his batting. Tells you all you need to know why its laughable that he will make the top 6 of "every other team" of the era.

hmm

If Imran averages 10 less, he still makes most 80s sides surely - that's accounting for a massive discrepancy.

 

[honestbharani]

hmm

If Imran averages 10 less, he still makes most 80s sides surely - that's accounting for a massive discrepancy.

Let me put it this way, his batting stats are like Kallis' bowling stats. And the discrepancy of the 80s Pak home unpiring should be considered quite heavily. Its very interesting how much of it is put to discredit Miandad and yet Imran gets a free pass for it?

 

[ataraxia]

And the discrepancy of the 80s Pak home umpiring should be considered quite heavily.

>is literally better away than at home



He's really good, isn't he.

Let me put it this way, his batting stats are like Kallis' bowling stats.

This is what I thought when I voted (for Imran, marginally, on the basis of primaries), but they're probs slightly better.

 

[subshakerz]

I am sure 1 year of international cricket in that era was enough evidence he was a better batsman than the top 6 of every other team.

The point is that he was already considered good enough to play solo as a bat. Pretty much every side in that era, WI aside, had an Imran level or worse batsman in their top six.

 

[subshakerz]

Yep, the thing with Imran's batting is his stats are always great on statsguru and yet no one really remembers his batting. Tells you all you need to know why its laughable that he will make the top 6 of "every other team" of the era.

Because even though he was consistent he didn't have a lot of high scoring knocks as he batted 6/7 and his own style of play wasn't the most eye catching like Botham and Kapil.

 

[subshakerz]

Yep, the thing with Imran's batting is his stats are always great on statsguru and yet no one really remembers his batting. Tells you all you need to know why its laughable that he will make the top 6 of "every other team" of the era.

You really can look at those stats and say he wasn't good enough to make the top 6, knowing how weak some of those other middle orders were?

 

[subshakerz]

Let me put it this way, his batting stats are like Kallis' bowling stats.

Did Kallis ever play purely as a bowler?

 

[StephenZA]

Did Kallis ever play purely as a bowler?

Inane stupid question, that continues to confirm you extreme bias on this subject... why would Kallis ever play just as a bowler. The fact you can sometimes bat when you can't bowl does not imply that when injured you can bowl and not bat!

How about asking this question, when the main bowlers for SA got injured did Kallis ever open the bowling and do well?

 

[Jayro]

I mean, he acquitted himself pretty well the rest of the era...

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btw, as often with Imran stats, I did not realise just how amazing it was until statsguru'ng.

Many matches comparatively few runs - good average --- just like Ravindra Jadeja these days ---- what average has Jadeja been sustaining in last few years ---- how do you rate Jadeja as a Batsman? How does he fair in comparison with rest of the top batsmen in world reading his batting average alone?

 

[ataraxia]

Jadeja's a god

edit: genuinely, despite a short peak thus far, is pushing many top 6's as a specialist bat IMO

 

[ankitj]

btw, as often with Imran stats, I did not realise just how amazing it was until statsguru'ng.

Yup. Happens always

 

[BazBall21]

Kallis has overachieved in this poll.

 

[Burgey]

>is literally better away than at home

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He's really good, isn't he.

This is what I thought when I voted (for Imran, marginally, on the basis of primaries), but they're probs slightly better.

Just like to draw everyone’s attention to TOTAB’s numbers away from home across nearly 50 tests during that decade.

62 with the bat, 34 with the ball.

The white Sobers

 

[subshakerz]

Inane stupid question, that continues to confirm you extreme bias on this subject... why would Kallis ever play just as a bowler. The fact you can sometimes bat when you can't bowl does not imply that when injured you can bowl and not bat!

How about asking this question, when the main bowlers for SA got injured did Kallis ever open the bowling and do well?

Sorry meant to say would Kallis have been able to be selected as a bowler assuming he couldn't bat

 

[trundler]

A major fact being ignored is that Imran actually won matches.

 

[h_hurricane]

>is literally better away than at home

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He's really good, isn't he.

This is what I thought when I voted (for Imran, marginally, on the basis of primaries), but they're probs slightly better.

Mohinder Amarnath's stats. Almost 68 away from home and under 30 at home

 

[Victor Ian]

A major fact being ignored is that Imran actually won matches.

hey? Kallis won matches. He probably won more than Imran. And they both got man of the match awards at the rate of 1 in 8 (kallis slightly better). This comment is purely subjective. How can you tell who won the match. If the other bowlers did not take any wickets, Imran would have won none of those matches. If the other batsmen did not make any runs he would have own of those games.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Many matches comparatively few runs - good average --- just like Ravindra Jadeja these days ---- what average has Jadeja been sustaining in last few years ---- how do you rate Jadeja as a Batsman? How does he fair in comparison with rest of the top batsmen in world reading his batting average alone?

I don’t understand this line of questioning. Jadeja is the best bat in the world so…