Victor Ian
International Coach
Agree. I'm into valuing peaks over longevity and Imran's bowling peak is insane.It is very easy to make an argument that Imran was a better bowler than Murali, Warne, Lillee, Wasim, and Garner
Agree. I'm into valuing peaks over longevity and Imran's bowling peak is insane.It is very easy to make an argument that Imran was a better bowler than Murali, Warne, Lillee, Wasim, and Garner
Yes but reverse is also true. His place in top 10 isn’t given.It is very easy to make an argument that Imran was a better bowler than Murali, Warne, Lillee, Wasim, and Garner
Where do you rank him as a bowler?Yes but reverse is also true. His place in top 10 isn’t given.
Not really, it's not very easy to make the reverse argument.Yes but reverse is also true. His place in top 10 isn’t given.
He is in my top 10. Where? It keeps changing depending on the day.Where do you rank him as a bowler?
Then you agree with most posters. Whereas Kallis will be outside most top 15 of batsmen if not top 20. So there is a difference there.He is in my top 10. Where? It keeps changing depending on the day.
Most side generally have 6 batsmen and 3 quick bowlers. Top 20 in batting is equivalent to top 10 in fast bowling. I don't see much to separate them in primary skill. Imran better in secondary skill, hence I am voting him.Then you agree with most posters. Whereas Kallis will be outside most top 15 of batsmen if not top 20. So there is a difference there.
just among fast bowlers (and based on tests):Where do you rank him as a bowler?
I forgot those lists were the final word in rating players.On CW's list they put Imran at no.6 so saying he is a confirmed top 10 shouldn't be controversial.
I agree. His bowling peak was insane, averaging around 14/15.I really think Imran is pretty easily in top 5. Forget his last few years. Before that he had a sustained peak like Murali.
Imran would make most sides in the 80s as a pure bat at no.6 IMO.Is Imran good enough in his secondary skill to surpass Kallis' secondary and tertiary skill? That slips presence of Kallis is a big deal.
You have to consider that there will be two top order bats per one fast bowler. So top 10 bowlers in equivalent to top 20 batsmen.Then you agree with most posters. Whereas Kallis will be outside most top 15 of batsmen if not top 20. So there is a difference there.
Imran would make most sides in the 80s as a pure bat at no.6 IMO.
Lot of posters including myself would have Syd Barnes and O’Reilly over Imran.Marshall, McGrath, Ambrose, Lillee, Warne, Murali, Wasim, Trueman, Steyn, Donald, Hadlee, Garner etc.
This isn’t necessarily my own view but I have seen plenty of posters on here rate players above over imran in such discussions.
Wouldn't Syd Barnes be ahead of all of them then?Lot of posters including myself would have Syd Barnes and O’Reilly over Imran.
Its not laughable at all when you consider that when Imran had his shin injury he played as a pure batsman for a year for Pakistan in the mid-80s, doing well against Lillee in Australia and top scoring in the 83 World Cup. He was certainly good enough to play in the top six
I am sure 1 year of international cricket in that era was enough evidence he was a better batsman than the top 6 of every other team.Its not laughable at all when you consider that when Imran had his shin injury he played as a pure batsman for a year for Pakistan in the mid-80s, doing well against Lillee in Australia and top scoring in the 83 World Cup. He was certainly good enough to play in the top six