ankitj
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Ashwin played 3 out of 4 matches in Australia until he got injured along with the whole team. Where do you get the idea he has been sitting on sidelines?
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Is Ashwin an ATG spinner / player?
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sunilz
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ENG tour.
You can't even help yourself buddy, if you're making braindead comments and degenerating so fast in 6 pages about a spinner.
Southee was still **** when he couldn't handle the conditions. Not exactly the greatest case for always picking the best no matter what if most of your stock is useless on a decent track. Also, ignoring that Virat's exclusion of Ashwin at times has been questioned quite a bit is really being disingenuous.
Flem274*
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Games in Australia: 10 (because they play each other so often I'm genuinely unsure if this is all his opportunities or not)
Games in England: 7 (solid average tbf)
Games in SA: 3
Games in NZ: 1
India have toured SA and NZ at least twice during his time.
He's your classic ATVG cricketer. There's nothing wrong with it at all, but he ain't great. Great players bolster the squad, not require depth for their own replacement.
RossTaylorsBox
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I still laugh every time
Well Ishant also got dropped, just 1 game later.
karan_fromthestands
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Do you have to? You know this is ret***** logic and not equivalent in any way. Don't go back to old school Sunilz.
_00_deathscar
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I get your line of main argument but Jadeja/Ashwin aren’t really like for like.
Jadeja doesn’t get picked because he’s a better spinner. He gets picked because he’s a better all rounder, one who can spin (or dart) the ball.
And is a better bat (but Ashwin has picked up again).
And is a better fielder (than basically everyone).
Like I said we’ll never know but based on the above there is a chance Kohli wouldn’t even have picked Murali in the recent England series over Jadeja. But he would have picked Warne over Jadeja.
It's barely a legible string of words, let alone an argument that Ashwin isn't a great just because India has the luxury and capacity to go with Jadeja + 4 quicks. Might as well **** on anyone for being bad away in any circumstances, like Warne or Murali.
h_hurricane
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Mother of all "he is dropped !".
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ankitj
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This thread isn't about Imran or Kane or Wagner.
Teja.
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Ashwin's away average is 31. Waqar's away average is 25. Waqar is an ATG pacer without any qualifications IMO.
Flem274*
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it's also not a fair comparison imo. ashwin isn't picked for the job waqar is, and pacers are flat out just better.
karan_fromthestands
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You never know with Kohli.
Kohli would pick Murali, Warne and Kumble on a green mamba 2 days in advance and defend his choices. Can't underestimate him.
Coronis
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So the main argument in this thread is the dropping overseas. Well, during his career (I’m unsure how long it was until he was established), India has played 56 matches in SENA countries. Ashwin on the other hand has played 20. With a current test career of 81 matches, take from that what you will.
Yes he failed in his first test like all the other Aussies so they wanted to try someone new, one test in isn’t the same as being consistently dropped over your career.Mother of all "he is dropped !".
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Yeah I dont think Ashwin belongs in any conversation with Waqar, pretty disrespectful that they're considered remotely similar. If Waqar is considered a low tier ATG (that's wrong but whatever), then Ashwin is a long way away.
Add in his batting and he's closer to ATG status than people think imo, but as a pure bowler, nah. Mostly just a limitation of being a finger spinner imo. And when you narrow it down to just that discipline, Laker is the only one clearly greater. Those are still pretty lofty heights.
honestbharani
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I dont think there is any hesitation in calling him an ATG if he can play a successful role in South Africa and then England later on away from home. NZ may forever be a question mark but I feel he will do well there too as long as the support is there. He went ok even in the first test before KJ got onto us. To me, he is a great on the verge of ATG ness as a bowler alone. And as a cricketer, he is very much an ATG, no matter how much the usual salty suspects cry here.