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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
This one came out of nowhere lol. This place never descended to India - Pak war ever iirc. Wishing you a merry good time here though, until it lasts.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
if you listentome, you will realize the truth, and it shall set you free. Seems everyone except Indians are ATGs, in the multiverse of thee.
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Fuller Pilch
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The toughest challenge for this generation of Indian players is playing in NZ and Jadeja averages 60 with the ball here.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Gonna be fun after Jaddu wins us the WTC. 
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
The way Ashwin is bowling and the immense talent that Rachin brings (if he gets picked) means that Jadeja might only be the 3rd best Ravindra in the final.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
the moderation team has taken this into account and...no. not quite.
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If he's selected at all.
Jadeja is very good, but calling him an ATG at this stage in his career is way too much. And he's obviously nowhere near good enough to be mentioned in the same breath as Faulkner, Sobers or even Shakib when it comes to slow bowling all rounders. Hell, he's not even the best in his team.
What does it say about your ability if your team management don't think it's worth picking you to win tests? It says they think at least one other bloke in your country is better than you *right now*.
Jadeja would improve many teams around the world right now, but he's not an ATG.
honestbharani
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Except Ashwin's name is not Ravindra
TheJediBrah
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Pontinf being bad in india isn't as much a factor as it's made out. He never really played there in his prime (2002-2007). The only time Aus went there in 2004 he was injured. And when he did go there in 2008 i think he was ok?
Definitely not forgiving him for it, it's not a great excuse, just saying it's overblown and not as bad as the stats suggest.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
Burger is more subtle with his baiting. You can do so much better than whatever this is an attempt at.
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
Ponting played 25 innings in India and averaged 26. If that is not a definitive indicator that he was a comprehensive failure here, nothing else is.
He barely did ok in 2008, scored a hundred in first test, then reverted back to his mean in the rest. They were all flat pitches too.
Scored a few half centuries in India in 2010, which was his ceiling. His best series in India strangely happened after his peak ended.
Had he played in India more often during 2001-2007, all indications are that, the peak would have never happened.
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mr_mister
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To back up my earlier point, Ricky was the 6th best bat in the world prior to the India "01 series
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TheJediBrah
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Don't agree with the bolded. Indications aren't that at all IMO. But you're mostly correct. As I said, it's not a good excuse, he was bad there. The 2001 series was the biggest failure, he was starting to find his feet back then and completley **** the bed.
This isn't really relevant but I think it's almost certain that if his tours were in, say 2003 and 2006 he would have much better stats there. But, again, this is a terrible excuse and doesn't change the facts.
TheJediBrah
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For the 3rd time, I'm not saying it would have solved all his problems or nullified his issues. Just that it accentuated it. Shuffle things around a bit and maybe he averages 35 in India instead of 26. It's still not good. And tbh 35 is probably still pretty generous
h_hurricane
International Vice-Captain
To do this, he would need to average 70 over 6 innings in another full series. That is an over-estimation of his skills in India.
TheJediBrah
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This is a dumb argument, but not if these hypothetical new series is replacing 1 or 2 of his bad ones.
