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[Fuller Pilch]

A few people, Viv, Miandad, Gower, little bit of Border and Greenidge in there too.

Dilip Vengsakar was world no 1 during that time too

 

[The Hutt Rec]

The one time they send up one of those as not out and it's the most blatantly out one ever.

 

[straw man]

Great catch

 

[thierry henry]

Great grab. Can an opposing team actually bundle us out quickly without a Jamieson or Wagner smashing it?

 

[Flem274*]

caaaatch

 

[hendrix]

Statistically the best over a 10 year period. To me that’s more significant than a specific peak which allows you to be #1 on the rankings at a specific time. There were players slightly older and younger than Crowe who you could argue were better but it’s still totally fair and true to say he was the best/top/most successful player overall from 1985-1995. Still reckon that’s big.

that just means there wasn't any of MC's exact age group peers as good as KW, Kohli and Smith. You're rating MC higher because he didn't have as much competition in his exact age group, the way KW does.

 

[Athlai]

Heck of a catch

 

[Fuller Pilch]

His average is now back behind Kohli, but still higher than BCL.

 

[thierry henry]

that just means there wasn't any of MC's exact age group peers as good as KW, Kohli and Smith. You're rating MC higher because he didn't have as much competition in his exact age group, the way KW does.

I get it but I doubt it’s that simple - would need to break the stats down a bit more. To discredit Crowe to that extent you’d have to be saying that 85-95 was an unusually poor era for batting. Would probably be more useful to compare the respective averages of KW/Crowe to the overall batting average for that era, rather than comparing to other elite batsmen only and then trying to work out who is and isn’t an outlier.

 

[Athlai]

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The era in question

 

[thierry henry]

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The era in question

hang on, you’re supposed to do it until the START of 1995 and then Crowe is top and with a way higher average

 

[thierry henry]

That was a weird shot from KW to get out btw, seemed to play inside the line to a non-turning leg break

 

[Athlai]

hang on, you’re supposed to do it until the START of 1995 and then Crowe is top and with a way higher average

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Adjusted

 

[thierry henry]

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Adjusted

Yep and then the question is what 54 was worth in that era vs what...60-something is worth in Kane’s peak era. It may well be that Kane is more standard deviations above the mean.

 

[James]

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Adjusted

Nice to see Andrew Jones in that list too, forgotten man of NZ Cricket.

 

[Pothas]

This era is probably just as tough, although it has not been as long yet. Best depth of pace bowling in history right now.

 

[Athlai]

Don't be shy with the likes lads

 

[thierry henry]

I know it’s passé to drone on about over rates, but an over every 5 minutes just seems kinda...bad

 

[thierry henry]

Don't be shy with the likes lads

Feels like I’m trying my best to present an unpopular opinion in a measured way and it’s an absolute likes desert out here.

Reckon Crowe was about 6’1” btw

 

[James]

Feels like I’m trying my best to present an unpopular opinion in a measured way and it’s an absolute likes desert out here.

Reckon Crowe was about 6’1” btw

I'm enjoying your posts mate - you're making far more sense than I would