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*Official* Pakistan in New Zealand 2020/21

Pothas

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how many current batsmen actually average 50? feels like as few as the viv era
Yeah not many at all. Just Williamson, Kohli and Smith? Would be similar to the 90s.

Oh and Labuschagne but I don't think he counts yet.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
It’s 3 reviews you get every 80 overs isn’t it? That’s insanity if you’re not absolutely sure you hit it
 

thierry henry

International Coach
If Smith or Kohli didn't exist then Williamson would've spent the last decade more or less undisputedly the best.
Well...doesn’t that just mean he’s 3rd best in the world? I get that the existence of an outlier (Smith, if not Kohli) doesn’t discredit his achievements but I’d say Crowe and KW are both in the same category i.e. basically best in the world, give or take, for a long period of time. I don’t really see why KW’s “best-ish in the world” is better than Crowe’s “best-ish in the world”. Of the two, Crowe has the clearer claim to have been the best of his era.
 

morgieb

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It’s 3 reviews you get every 80 overs isn’t it? That’s insanity if you’re not absolutely sure you hit it
Nah no reset after 80 overs AFAIK.

Still insane for a batting side to not review something with doubt. Or review something you know you didn't hit/glove full stop....
 

thierry henry

International Coach
Stating the obvious but that’s a ridiculous non-review from Nicholls. Further proof that ‘you know if you’ve hit it’ is nonsense.
 

Athlai

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Well...doesn’t that just mean he’s 3rd best in the world? I get that the existence of an outlier (Smith, if not Kohli) doesn’t discredit his achievements but I’d say Crowe and KW are both in the same category i.e. basically best in the world, give or take, for a long period of time. I don’t really see why KW’s “best-ish in the world” is better than Crowe’s “best-ish in the world”. Of the two, Crowe has the clearer claim to have been the best of his era.
Crowe by no means has the clearer claim, he spent faaaaaar more time outside the top 3 than Williamson. He's disputedly the 3rd best of an era nor the best.
 

Flem274*

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Well...doesn’t that just mean he’s 3rd best in the world? I get that the existence of an outlier (Smith, if not Kohli) doesn’t discredit his achievements but I’d say Crowe and KW are both in the same category i.e. basically best in the world, give or take, for a long period of time. I don’t really see why KW’s “best-ish in the world” is better than Crowe’s “best-ish in the world”. Of the two, Crowe has the clearer claim to have been the best of his era.
kanes better than the media machines snick off merchant. smith might just end up #2 of all time though. being #2 to smith might not be like being #2 to even sachin imo.
 

thierry henry

International Coach
Crowe by no means has the clearer claim, he spent faaaaaar more time outside the top 3 than Williamson. He's disputedly the 3rd best of an era nor the best.
Statistically the best over a 10 year period. To me that’s more significant than a specific peak which allows you to be #1 on the rankings at a specific time. There were players slightly older and younger than Crowe who you could argue were better but it’s still totally fair and true to say he was the best/top/most successful player overall from 1985-1995. Still reckon that’s big.
 

thierry henry

International Coach
Really don’t enjoy having this argument tbh but does feel like there’s some extended-peak-Crowe-erasure going on here.
 

The Hutt Rec

International Vice-Captain
Interestingly if you look at test match batting averages from 1 Jan 2010 to now, Darryl Tuffey is third at an impressive 78.
 

James

Cricket Web Owner
Really don’t enjoy having this argument tbh but does feel like there’s some extended-peak-Crowe-erasure going on here.
Likewise, probably comes across as trying to discredit Kane, when it's not the object at all. It's an interesting discussion to have though, probably something for its own thread.
 

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