37th Match - New Zealand v Australia

[TheJediBrah]

like can you imagine if kohli or warner had to back up their mouths in a contact sport? they'd die, and aaron smith would shag their girlfriends in the sheds.

Ooh that hits a bit close to home for Warner

 

[SteveNZ]

The most disappointing thing was the manner of the chase.

We will never, ever beat Australia grinding out the way we tried to do it. When we let them bowl, they're superstars. Then when we grind, and we panic when we get behind, today happens.

Brendon would never have stood for that sort of chase. What he'd say was imagine we are chasing 330 and bat accordingly. Not try and tip over 240 with the last ball of the 50th. No problem with Kane being that guy, but Gup just simply has to bar up and risk getting out to get us in the right mindset to beat Australia.

 

[hendrix]

Yeah guys like Guptill and Neesh need to back themselves, it's their game and they have it in them.

 

[stephen]

I was completely shocked by this result when I went to bed at 5/97.

Starc is simply incredible.

Khawaja, for all the criticism of him has shown why he's there.

Carey once again exceeding expectations. Can't believe how good he's come.

 

[SteveNZ]

Yeah guys like Guptill and Neesh need to back themselves, it's their game and they have it in them.

I just see a lot of fear in Gup's batting in big games. He doesn't need to have it. He's a world class player who has proven himself. He has a World Cup double hundred. He is guaranteed to go down as an NZ ATG. But he bats sometimes like his position in the next game is up for grabs. The last World Cup final was a classic example. He poked and prodded then missed a straight off break from Maxwell. Yes that's the G in a final in front of 80,000...but today was the same. Either he or a mind coach needs to tell him his fears are not real - getting out is not the end of the world - and he's holding himself back from being any better. If today was a JAMODI on the same pitch, he probably lofts 2-3 down the ground for 4 then gets going.

Neesham I can understand a bit more, he's only new and he has that Craig McMillan feel about him where he sticks his neck out and the public are ready to make him enemy #1 if he gets out rashly. But that was Brendon for a lot of years too until he became so assured in his own skin that he didn't care, and paradoxically became the player the public wanted all along.

 

[SteveNZ]

And whilst I didn't watch our bowling innings, I was bemused to say the least when I saw Sodhi played. I love Ish, but just because he should've played v Pakistan we pick him now? Was he ever suited to Lord's? Not based on the Aus v Eng game. And Henry might've been dynamite bowling from the Pavilion End.

Further still, this game wouldn't have been the one I dropped Munro for. Someone at least needed to try and hit the most in-form bowling line-up off its lengths, even if we all agree he probably wouldn't have been up to it. Instead a scratchy Nicholls, who should've played earlier, comes in and tries to find form on a tough pitch, and a hard ground to get used to, against that attack.

I really have no faith in Gary Stead. And I don't feel good for saying it.

 

[GotSpin]

I was completely shocked by this result when I went to bed at 5/97.

Starc is simply incredible.

Khawaja, for all the criticism of him has shown why he's there.

Carey once again exceeding expectations. Can't believe how good he's come.

Khawaja was dropped at least twice and should have been run out as well. Carey was the real hero with the bat

 

[stephen]

Khawaja was dropped at least twice and should have been run out as well. Carey was the real hero with the bat

He still got the runs. Nobody criticised Kane fort his match winning hundred the other day despite giving chances.

Batting is done in partnerships. Carey was better but Khawaja got important runs.

 

[Howsie]

And whilst I didn't watch our bowling innings, I was bemused to say the least when I saw Sodhi played. I love Ish, but just because he should've played v Pakistan we pick him now? Was he ever suited to Lord's? Not based on the Aus v Eng game. And Henry might've been dynamite bowling from the Pavilion End.

Further still, this game wouldn't have been the one I dropped Munro for. Someone at least needed to try and hit the most in-form bowling line-up off its lengths, even if we all agree he probably wouldn't have been up to it. Instead a scratchy Nicholls, who should've played earlier, comes in and tries to find form on a tough pitch, and a hard ground to get used to, against that attack.

I really have no faith in Gary Stead. And I don't feel good for saying it.

Yep, the horse had already bolted Steady boy. Complete muppet.

 

[Howsie]

Its already been said but our innings was set up to fail even when Williamson and Taylor were together. You could just tell they were planning on trying to win that game in the last over again by the 20th over. Problem is Australia are a level or two above South Africa with Starc in the team and that would be a lot harder to do. They needed to full on attack the 5th bowling options which they just didn’t want to do. It was a real head scratcher for mine.

Well actually no it wasn’t with Stead running this team ****ing moron.

 

[Howsie]

And just maybe, just maybe Latham might actually be in with a chance of being dropped. You don’t often see Williamson that pissed but when he dropped that second catch of his bowling you could see he had had enough.

I’m no Blundell fan but you can’t just keep playing a guy who can’t score a run to save himself and who might just be the worst keeper in this World Cup.

 

[James90]

Was a great day at Lord’s.

Smudger being brought on to bowl leggies to De Grandhomme and then bowling off-breaks for the rest of the over once he had dismissed him was a thing of beauty.

 

[thundaboult]

And just maybe, just maybe Latham might actually be in with a chance of being dropped. You don’t often see Williamson that pissed but when he dropped that second catch of his bowling you could see he had had enough.

I’m no Blundell fan but you can’t just keep playing a guy who can’t score a run to save himself and who might just be the worst keeper in this World Cup.

The style of play and quality of cricket we have been playing for the last 3 years in odi's is the real problem. Don't think any replacement can really make a difference. New Zealand in general has too much cake action with Kane, taylor, latham, nicholls and even santner often choosing the steady accumulator option than taking the attack to the opposition. They don't even choose to take on the 5th or 6th bowlers.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The most disappointing thing was the manner of the chase.

We will never, ever beat Australia grinding out the way we tried to do it. When we let them bowl, they're superstars. Then when we grind, and we panic when we get behind, today happens.

Brendon would never have stood for that sort of chase. What he'd say was imagine we are chasing 330 and bat accordingly. Not try and tip over 240 with the last ball of the 50th. No problem with Kane being that guy, but Gup just simply has to bar up and risk getting out to get us in the right mindset to beat Australia.

Yeah true Brendon would have tried to hit a 150kph inswinging Starc ball into the stands first over and had his stumps demolished when he misses by a foot.

Everything's easier in hindsight. "Should have done this" is always easy to say but doesn't mean it had a better chance of working.

 

[straw man]

dropping in to give my thoughts before going to bed.

nz lost the game during the usman/carey partnership. disappointingly typical to do the hard work and let the under pressure players like khawaja scoot through to a match winning contribution. in particular the spinners let nz down. sodhi is a trash bowler so it's not his fault but santa shouldn't be getting outbowled by kane. the 5th bowlers were excellent so we had strike bowling overs in hand to go for the kill. we know australia are ****roaches who don't die, you don't stop stabbing until they're dead. nz stopped stabbing.

batting wise nz began intelligently but then played like a team who are overcompensating for the 2015 final. i don't blame lord colin that much, everyone knows he's the worlds dumbest batsman and he was elevated above neesh with one job.

i do blame kane and ross who did the hard work then gave it away for free. the mental block in action again.

finchs use of the 5th bowler has been excellent. he's forward stacked his weak overs and rotated the 5th bowler to prevent nz getting in against one. he has used his attack perfectly and lyon's overs have really turned the screws and outplayed his kiwi opposites.

It was a horribly-paced chase. Needing 240 odd and we score at 3s for 20 overs, many of which were bowled by part-timers, and you're already needing 6 per over to win. It's suddenly like a 300 chase. See off Starc's opening spell by all means but need more #intent against the others, tricky pitch or not. We need more from Guptill and Taylor - back yourselves. Guptill is the most static and crease-bound I can remember. By the time the top 5 were gone, all of whom apart from Williamson struck at just 50-odd, the chase was already off the rails with not much for Neesham and De Grandhomme to do apart from hit out.

I didn't see the chances (half chances?) Latham put down but we can't afford that, to go with the drops and misfields earlier in the innings. Very patchy in the field - some great, some terrible. Santner also bizarrely bowled a bad three over spell and didn't bowl again. Sodhi looked like he was tense and wasn't getting through his action - maybe he might've been better if this wasn't his first game of the tourny, but I have a nagging feeling he's not a big match player. Think Henry will play the rest.

Given Australia's bowling attack, and India's for that matter, we are going to need to bowl these sides out for 200, which leaves little option but to keep attacking.

 

[straw man]

otoh, last world cup we beat Aus in the group stage and lost in the knock-outs, so now we're on track to reverse that

check mate Australia

 

[thundaboult]

It was a horribly-paced chase. Needing 240 odd and we score at 3s for 20 overs, many of which were bowled by part-timers, and you're already needing 6 per over to win. It's suddenly like a 300 chase. See off Starc's opening spell by all means but need more #intent against the others, tricky pitch or not. We need more from Guptill and Taylor - back yourselves. Guptill is the most static and crease-bound I can remember. By the time the top 5 were gone, all of whom apart from Williamson struck at just 50-odd, the chase was already off the rails with not much for Neesham and De Grandhomme to do apart from hit out.

I didn't see the chances (half chances?) Latham put down but we can't afford that, to go with the drops and misfields earlier in the innings. Very patchy in the field - some great, some terrible. Santner also bizarrely bowled a bad three over spell and didn't bowl again. Sodhi looked like he was tense and wasn't getting through his action - maybe he might've been better if this wasn't his first game of the tourny, but I have a nagging feeling he's not a big match player. Think Henry will play the rest.

Given Australia's bowling attack, and India's for that matter, we are going to need to bowl these sides out for 200, which leaves little option but to keep attacking.

Dude we never een touched a run rate of four except those first few overs. We decelerated if anything.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Meanwhile, Southee sits there occupying a spot for a genuinely exciting replacement such as Bennett or Kuggelejin...well at least ol timmy isn't getting a game so there's SOME saving grace.

Hmm you wait till the next game, I reckon. The script is written ... SOS to our saviour Southee!!!

 

[James]

I tend to think its mainly a mental thing with the Kiwis when it comes to playing Australia. We seem to be in that mindset of being nervous and uncertain of how to play our cricket against them.

I've always been of the belief that you pick your best bowlers, regardless of the conditions, and let them loose. Sodhi doesn't come close in ODI cricket to being considered , and as Ian Smith and Michael Slater said on commentary, why was de Grandhomme opening the bowling when you a 150km express bowler in your side that can exploit those conditions. Attack, attack, attack! I

I'd drop Santner for Southee and Sodhi for Henry next game as well as Blundell for Latham.

Hmm you wait till the next game, I reckon. The script is written ... SOS to our saviour Southee!!!

Let's have a repeat of this:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...th-match-pool-a-icc-cricket-world-cup-2014-15

 

[BeeGee]

Alex Carey, take a bow. Match turning knock when everyone else struck at no higher than 70 odd.

Then once you’ve taken a bow, learn to keep standing up to the stumps ffs.

I was going to post the same thing. How do you make striking the ball look so easy on a deck everyone else hugely struggled on? Remarkable innings.