ODI ATG XIs

[h_hurricane]

Inzi once pulled Ambrose for a flat six over square leg. Still remember Ambrose's face lmao he was so mad.

Kambli hit him for a six in 1996 world cup.

 

[h_hurricane]

Some of the elite bowlers reactions when getting hit.

Mcgrath - shake his head
Ambrose - killer stare
Donald - red face
Pollock - an element of hopelessness in his face
Akram - hands on hips
Warne - swats mosquitoes
Murali - smiles

 

[harsh.ag]

Pollock look was acerbated by looking like an old man

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Ambrose sometimes does the sarcastic smile at times.

 

[ankitj]

Pollock doesn't play as 5th bowler in an XI. He plays as one of the 4 frontline bowlers whose batting is a bonus.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Mcgrath was as vulnerable to getting hit in ODIs by good, great and decent batsmen as Pollock. It is just that Glenn was better in getting wickets and turned up more often in World Cups. But it is not as if Pollock was poor when it mattered. His bowling in 1999 world cup semis was spectacular.

I would easily prefer Pollock over any part time bowler plus big hitting batting allrounder. The extra runs produced by the big hitter would not be conceded by Shaun in the first place.

That's why Kapil Dev is the best choice.
Hadlee ,Pollock and Imran very close.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That Hayden assault on him in 2007 was scary. I remember he'd destroyed India just a few months before that when SA walloped India.

Hayden in 2007 was in insane form. He was out of the team for the previous year and come back on a tour to NZ prior to the WC when Aus rested most of the team, made 180* one game and then was unlucky not to be player of the tournament in the 2007 WC

Then that was about it for his career can't remember him doing much else after that. He was kind of **** in the 2007/08 summer

 

[vcs]

I think he was good against India, declined after that, though.

 

[Bolo]

Pollock was pretty pitch reliant by 2007. He was the best around when there was seam and bounce, but he was too slow to generate lift on soft decks by that stage. Mcgraths extra bounce served him well, but he wasn't completely immune to the same problem. He also got smashed in the game hayden took pollock apart.

Pollock did ok on the big stage. Outstanding in the Champions trophy, although I'm not sure if it should really count. Horrible average but outstanding economy in the WC. Teams tended to play him out and go after the weaker bowlers. They wouldn't this option in an atg attack though, so both stats would normalise. Excellent stats in knockouts (bowling average of 16), but sample size makes this a bit meaningless.

Cant remember him doing anything of note with the bat on the big stage though.

 

[sunilz]

Sehwag also once went after Pollock . 5 boundaries in 5 balls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRYOQXcWCvU

 

[Zinzan]

Greatbatch got after Ambrose in 92

Don't forget Marshall too.

 

[Bolo]

Flintoff
Dhoni
Pollock
Akram
Murali
Mcgrath

I like the way this team is balanced with both bat and ball.

Pollock and Mcgrath to open. Murali in the middle. Wasim and flintoff for the death. Everyone but flintoff is top 2 from recent years in their bowling roles in the team, and even he is close at least- I can only really think of wasim who is clearly ahead.

It probably makes sense to drop Mcgrath for Garner. It would help with variety, but I'm not sure where he fits into the bowling position question.

 

[Zinzan]

Flintoff
Dhoni
Pollock
Akram
Murali
Mcgrath

I like the way this team is balanced with both bat and ball.

Pollock and Mcgrath to open. Murali in the middle. Wasim and flintoff for the death. Everyone but flintoff is top 2 from recent years in their bowling roles in the team, and even he is close at least- I can only really think of wasim who is clearly ahead.

It probably makes sense to drop Mcgrath for Garner. It would help with variety, but I'm not sure where he fits into the bowling position question.

Garner was just as fantastic whether opening or bowling first change. Best ever ODI bowler & should be in any AT World XI

 

[stephen]

Pollock's batting is unnecessary in an ATXI which already contains a Devine number 8 (Akram). It's a nice to have. I'd much rather the better bowler.

Klusener is the kind of all rounder I want to see batting number 7 in an all time side. Aggressive with the bat, very good with the ball. Kapil if you want a slightly better bowler and slightly worse batsman. Symonds if you want a better batsman and worse bowler.

If Viv is in an all time side I think Symonds is a good enough all rounder for the side. You have two genuine fifth bowlers for world class sides with those two.

But if you're looking for a bowler I'd go with Klusener or Kapil for the number 7 spot.

 

[Borges]

Garner was just as fantastic whether opening or bowling first change. Best ever ODI bowler & should be in any AT World XI

Yes. If we include the six sigma quality standard for bowlers, alluded to earlier, he stands head and shoulders above the others.

Just look at the proportion of times they were taken for 50 or more runs in an ODI innings:

Garner: once every 32.67 innings

Pollock: once every 11.22 innings
Akram: once every 10.47 innings

McGrath: once every 7.81 innings
Murali: once every 7.78 innings
Flintoff: once every 7.05 innings

Statistics are truly wonderful, unerringly leading us to the truth.

 

[Victor Ian]

How about over 40 for garner? In his time 250 was a good score. For the others it was 300.
I'd imagine garner is still out front - just curious by how much.
I'm aware 40 is not the right number. Just a closer guess because 50 is wrong for bowlers of his era.

 

[Borges]

40+ an innings looks very bad for Garner. Once every 5.16 innings.
Just marginally better than for 50+ an innings for Warne (once every 4.19 innings)
And slightly worse than for 50+ an innings for Saqlain (once every 5.63 innings)

 

[Bolo]

40 wouldn't be the right number. And not all of the others are the same. Wasim is much better grouped with garner than flintoff considering there is as much time overlap, but srs really went up in flintoffs era.

I remember someone posting era adjusted ERs in another thread. That's probably a easy way to get an answer.

 

[h_hurricane]

40+ an innings looks very bad for Garner. Once every 5.16 innings.
Just marginally better than for 50+ an innings for Warne (once every 4.19 innings)
And slightly worse than for 50+ an innings for Saqlain (once every 5.63 innings)

In Garner's time it was mostly 60 overs and 55 overs matches.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Yes. If we include the six sigma quality standard for bowlers, alluded to earlier, he stands head and shoulders above the others.

Just look at the proportion of times they were taken for 50 or more runs in an ODI innings:

Garner: once every 32.67 innings

Pollock: once every 11.22 innings
Akram: once every 10.47 innings

McGrath: once every 7.81 innings
Murali: once every 7.78 innings
Flintoff: once every 7.05 innings

Statistics are truly wonderful, unerringly leading us to the truth.

What about Richard Hadlee ? Best Batsman among best of the bowlers.