Woodster
International Captain
Really ? There probably are some stats out there, would be a touch ambiguous I'm sure.
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*Official* England Tour of West Indies 2019
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FBU
International Debutant
Maybe it is to replace Gabriel who had a bruised toe. 2 wickets at 35.00. All the others average is in the teens.In other news we've kept the same squad, but added Oshane Thomas officially, not just as back up. I wonder if they're considering bringing him in for a 5 pace attack? Now that would be fun
I expect England to go with 2 spinners again and lose the toss.
Slifer
International Captain
Hopefully, the wi dont go down this route. Stick with the tried and tested combo of 4 bowlers 6 batsmen and the keeper. Wi top order tbh didn't impress, adding an extra bowler would just weaken the already suspect batting lineup further.In other news we've kept the same squad, but added Oshane Thomas officially, not just as back up. I wonder if they're considering bringing him in for a 5 pace attack? Now that would be fun
Beamer
International Vice-Captain
Agreed. As FBU said, Oshane should be back up for Gabriel.
I don't think those figures reflect how well he bowled 2nd innings. His spell to root started the collapse imo.Maybe it is to replace Gabriel who had a bruised toe. 2 wickets at 35.00. All the others average is in the teens.
I expect England to go with 2 spinners again and lose the toss.
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Manjrekar's take on English selection.
Manjrekar's take on English selection.
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Their #batdeep selection policy is probably because they think the cupboard is bare when it comes to top order batsmen. Or maybe they just need to pick a couple of guys out of County Cricket (what happened to Pope?), give them 4-5 matches and see what happens.
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It was largely just an accident. They did tend to pick their best four or even five bowlers (or at least who they thought were their best four or even five bowlers) for each Test well even well into the era they had an awesome lower order in; it just so happened that a few of those guys could seriously bat.
I think Curran's selection at times has drifted into the realm of doing it on purpose, but him aside Moeen and Stokes just make picking a "normal" eleven counter-productive a lot of the time, even ignoring their top order struggles.
I think Curran's selection at times has drifted into the realm of doing it on purpose, but him aside Moeen and Stokes just make picking a "normal" eleven counter-productive a lot of the time, even ignoring their top order struggles.
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Rashid over Leach in the recent test could be another case of doing it on purpose
Groundking
International Debutant
Cheers for sharing that a good article and I agree with most of it, he's completely wrong about Bairstow and Root however, Bairstow has batted in 2 tests at no.3 so it's way to early to say either way, and Root is awful at 3, his overall record he averages about 10 less runs at 3 rather than 4, and since becoming captain he averages 28.54 @ 3 and 49.27 @ 4
No I'd say they they just genuinely made a mistake in selection there.
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I thought Rashid over Leach was primarily because Rashid's a 'wicket taker' who 'offers something different' and being a wristspinner 'can get that bit extra out of the pitch' even though his first class career paints him as mediocre at best and Root clearly doesn't trust him, not without reason might I add. Leach is just a boring left armer, and England's never had any success with those...
Yes, this 'Root must bat 3' thinking frustrates me, anyone who's watched Root bat knows he's more suited to four both technically and temperamentally. He could move to 3 and it wouldn't help because almost no batsmen in contention is suited to 4, they're fives or lower. Meanwhile his own performance would decline further (I personally think he needs to not be captain, but it's not like there's alternatives screaming out).
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Groundking
International Debutant
Yeah the discussions surrounding where Root should bad in the team is the most annoying thing about English cricket at the minute, I blame the Aussies and their obsession with the idea that the best bat should bat 3, instead of batting the players in positions that suit them. I agree that the captaincy is the biggest thing though, I'd be half tempted to give it Buttler if he keeps up his form.
Woodster
International Captain
On the Root debate, I'm not sure shifting him up to 3 then resolves all our problems in the top order, it just means we then need to find a number four. I think most of us can agree, the likes of Stokes, Bairstow, Buttler, Foakes are better suited to number six, maybe seven in some cases, however, as we are not blessed with a plethora of quality options we are currently trying to shoehorn a couple of them into the top five, with mixed success to this point.
James Vince, Dawid Malan, Tom Westley, Ollie Pope and Gary Ballance have all had a crack in recent times to nail down a spot in the top order but none of them convinced sufficiently despite glimpses of hope, all too inconsistently unfortunately. So I don't blame the management for opting for players that they believe have the quality to score runs against international attacks, albeit batting out of position.
It may be time to persevere with an Ollie Pope type batsman, a young cricketer that has that youthful fearlessness. Ideally they'd come in and bat at six to ease them into Test cricket, but in our current state I'm not sure we have that luxury. It might be a case of, get in there bat at four and you're staying for a couple of series unless it looks like it's doing more harm than good.
James Vince, Dawid Malan, Tom Westley, Ollie Pope and Gary Ballance have all had a crack in recent times to nail down a spot in the top order but none of them convinced sufficiently despite glimpses of hope, all too inconsistently unfortunately. So I don't blame the management for opting for players that they believe have the quality to score runs against international attacks, albeit batting out of position.
It may be time to persevere with an Ollie Pope type batsman, a young cricketer that has that youthful fearlessness. Ideally they'd come in and bat at six to ease them into Test cricket, but in our current state I'm not sure we have that luxury. It might be a case of, get in there bat at four and you're staying for a couple of series unless it looks like it's doing more harm than good.