England players and selection discussion thread

[S.Kennedy]

He was being talked of alongside Gubbins but a lot of people threw all their eggs in the Hammed basket. Hameed was going to be ''the saviour'' of us all, wasn't he?

 

[fredfertang]

He was being talked of alongside Gubbins but a lot of people threw all their eggs in the Hammed basket. Hameed was going to be ''the saviour'' of us all, wasn't he?

Till Glenn Chapple got his hands on him

 

[wpdavid]

He was being talked of alongside Gubbins but a lot of people threw all their eggs in the Hammed basket. Hameed was going to be ''the saviour'' of us all, wasn't he?

Was he? I genuinely don't recall anyone pushing Burns' case two years ago, but I may have forgotten. It would be interesting to know when he moved up from the middle order too. I don't think it was all that long ago.

 

[Dan]

I have no real faith in Burns actually forging a long-term Test career but hey, given the options available he's worth a crack. SL might not be an awful place for him to debut, either.

He's the kind of bloke who I can see averaging 40 after a long, long FC career but averaging 24 in a fairly short Test one. So basically every 90s England opener not named Gooch, Atherton or Stewart.

 

[marc71178]

Either you aren’t big on cricket or this is a Burns thing for you.

Please don't tell me you're seriously questioning theegyptian's knowledge of the county game. Just because he's pointed out some facts that don't don't fit your over the top crusade.

Everything he's said is true and relevant to the argument.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Was he? I genuinely don't recall anyone pushing Burns' case two years ago, but I may have forgotten. It would be interesting to know when he moved up from the middle order too. I don't think it was all that long ago.

Not like this season (where he has basically forced the selectors' hand, and there is literally nobody else) but I remember his name being floated around alongside Gubbins - certainly.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I have no real faith in Burns actually forging a long-term Test career but hey, given the options available he's worth a crack. SL might not be an awful place for him to debut, either.

He's the kind of bloke who I can see averaging 40 after a long, long FC career but averaging 24 in a fairly short Test one. So basically every 90s England opener not named Gooch, Atherton or Stewart.

Averaging 24 is a vast improvement on Jennings.

 

[fredfertang]

Averaging 24 is a vast improvement on Jennings.

If the selectors had seen sense on Jennings we wouldn't have been relegated

 

[flibbertyjibber]

If the selectors had seen sense on Jennings we wouldn't have been relegated

Probably right there. He should never have been recalled anyway as it was clear he isn't good enough.

 

[Tom Flint]

I remember burns coming out himself and criticising the selectors for not selecting him

 

[Agricultural]

Well he had solid results without being spectacular until this year. I mean Sangakarra averaged twice what Burns did last year at Surrey, Stoneman 10 more than Burns. I don't think Burns has ever topped the Surrey averages.

I over-reacted to this last time. My bad. Dunno. Perhaps I was tired (and pissed at the ECB). It’s not your fault. The ECB has pissed me off with their Jennings/Burns situation. It’s not you. We have to go with Burns. Everyone else is painfully inferior as an option.

 

[FBU]

Half the squad have played 15 or less Tests

 

[Tom Flint]

England have got a massive head ache for choosing the xi in the first test in the windies. Do they go;
3 seamers + stokes 1 spinner + root
Or
2 seamers + stokes 2 spinners
And how do they get Curran back in the side.
I would personally go for the 2nd option with leach and Ali both in the team
Burns
Jennings
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Broad
Leach
Anderson

I still don't like Jennings but he isn't going to be dropped now after he tonned up in the first test and his fielding at short leg

 

[FBU]

England have got a massive head ache for choosing the xi in the first test in the windies. Do they go;
3 seamers + stokes 1 spinner + root
Or
2 seamers + stokes 2 spinners
And how do they get Curran back in the side.
I would personally go for the 2nd option with leach and Ali both in the team
Burns
Jennings
Bairstow
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Foakes
Ali
Broad
Leach
Anderson

I still don't like Jennings but he isn't going to be dropped now after he tonned up in the first test and his fielding at short leg

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I think they will revert to 6 bowlers again, Anderson, Broad, Curran, Stokes, Ali and Rashid. All they need is the first five.
Don't think the strategy that worked in Sri Lanka will work again. Gabriel, Roach and Holder will make sure of that. Since Jan 2017 in WI 97 wickets at 16.03

 

[Dan]

Medium-term, I'd go something along these lines (with the obvious opening batsman Wheel of Mediocrity caveat):

1. Burns
2. Jennings
3. Bairstow
4. Root *
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Moeen
8. Foakes +
9. Curran/Woakes
10. Broad
11. Anderson

12. Leach

 

[Dan]

But how rough has it been on TRJ? Handy in his few appearances, does his back, misses the Ashes, does his back again, misses the season. Next minute he's about 12th choice quick.

 

[theegyptian]

Archer available from January 1


He's certainly good enough to be in the ODI squad and team.

6 months before a WC in which they are favourites with/ or without Archer it's going to be interesting to see how they fit him in/or not. They've spent the last 3 and 1/2 years planning and building for the WC, all the players know their roles. Backroom staff know all the players temperaments.

It does risk changing the teams equilibrium.

However they have bowlers like Wood, Willey, Curran who will make the WC squad who are average. They've got to try and get him in there imo.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

But how rough has it been on TRJ? Handy in his few appearances, does his back, misses the Ashes, does his back again, misses the season. Next minute he's about 12th choice quick.

Think he is more concerned about playing again full stop not his England place.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Archer available from January 1


He's certainly good enough to be in the ODI squad and team.

6 months before a WC in which they are favourites with/ or without Archer it's going to be interesting to see how they fit him in/or not. They've spent the last 3 and 1/2 years planning and building for the WC, all the players know their roles. Backroom staff know all the players temperaments.

It does risk changing the teams equilibrium.

However they have bowlers like Wood, Willey, Curran who will make the WC squad who are average. They've got to try and get him in there imo.

Would imagine he will be part of the squads for Windies tour now then. Could well come from nowhere and claim a world cup and ashes spot.

 

[theegyptian]

Test side he's a definite game changer. Offers consistent pace and hostility. Something England have been massively lacking.

Not immensely skilled with the red ball but has excellent natural fitness and pace. Has the ability to bowl hostile spells of real pace, but also can bang out 25 overs in a day at mid 80s mph pace if required.

Again with the Ashes I don't think England really need him to win it at home (they may even in this case be better off with others in 2019 summer) - and they risk messing with the equilibrium. Away from home though he will in time be a massive asset imo, and a regular everywhere by the time Broad and Anderson are hanging up their boots.