England players and selection discussion thread

[Agricultural]

Burns selected!!

Yes boys

 

[Agricultural]

Makeshift opener, or slotting him further up if Pope has a bad time. Who knows?

It's still Burns plus one that is anyone's guess in my eyes (Jennings and Denly have horrible stats)

Porter won't be happy. I think Broad and Woakes are lucky to get in the squad. Vince unlucky considering they have this love affair going on with Keaton no runs Jennings. Hildreth missed out yet again. Harsh when they are picking people like Jennings and Denly.

 

[Moonsorrow999]

Pack the side with bits and pieces cricketers. How the f does Jennings get picked too?

 

[S.Kennedy]

Pity you couldn't duplicate Burns and have two Burns opening as his stats are the only stats that really impress. I mean you may as well go back to Rocky to be honest: making a 30 and chucking it away is about as good as we have now. Rocky is certainly better than Keats.

 

[Agricultural]

Pity you couldn't duplicate Burns and have two Burns opening as his stats are the only stats that really impress. I mean you may as well go back to Rocky to be honest: making a 30 and chucking it away is about as good as we have now. Rocky is certainly better than Keats.

I'd pick myself over Jennings. I'd contribute more to the team.

 

[S.Kennedy]

What if Burns also flops though? Need I remind you that, Keats (2016) 1548 runs at 64.50, and, Rocky (2017) 1156 at 60.84 - all division one runs before you ask? These oft ridiculed batsmen had fantastic seasons, getting them in the international set-up before they flopped in an England shirt.

 

[Moonsorrow999]

What if Burns also flops though? Need I remind you that, Keats (2016) 1548 runs at 64.50, and, Rocky (2017) 1156 at 60.84 - all division one runs before you ask? These oft ridiculed batsmen had fantastic seasons, getting them in the international set-up before they flopped in an England shirt.

How's his record away from home? We all know Surrey bat on roads.

 

[Prince EWS]

If Burns flops then you drop him. Simple really. Same for any other new player who could potentially flop for any side. That doesn't mean he hasn't earned a go.

If you have ten or more players in a row "flop" in the same role then you might need to lower your expectations and accept a lower standard (I think Compton and Carberry would both hold their places at this point, for example) before calling something a flop, but all the same.

 

[fredfertang]

If Burns flops then you drop him. Simple really. Same for any other new player who could potentially flop for any side. That doesn't mean he hasn't earned a go.

If you have ten or more players in a row "flop" in the same role then you might need to lower your expectations and accept a lower standard (I think Compton and Carberry would both hold their places at this point, for example) before calling something a flop, but all the same.

Or try and convert one of the men who has shown they can bat at Test level into an opener - in fact that could be Stokes' punishment for his disciplinary breach

 

[Prince EWS]

Or try and convert one of the men who has shown they can bat at Test level into an opener - in fact that could be Stokes' punishment for his disciplinary breach

This would be a live idea if not for the fact that you don't exactly have specialist middle order batsmen knocking down the door from outside the side at the moment either. If Stokes opens it lets you bring in Vince, Malan or Pope (guessing from recent squads as to whom they'd select) and I don't think they offer all much immediate hope over the next opener of the month anyway.

 

[Tom Flint]

How's his record away from home? We all know Surrey bat on roads.

His away record is better than at home this season I heard

 

[Agricultural]

What if Burns also flops though? Need I remind you that, Keats (2016) 1548 runs at 64.50, and, Rocky (2017) 1156 at 60.84 - all division one runs before you ask? These oft ridiculed batsmen had fantastic seasons, getting them in the international set-up before they flopped in an England shirt.

Based on Keaton Jennings they will have to give Burns 20+ tests. Burns has a stronger record than Jennings, Stoneman, Vince, Malan et al. Therefore deserves a longer run.

 

[Agricultural]

His away record is better than at home this season I heard

I believe so too. Seen the same. He was averaging 90 plus away at one stage (may still be the case?). He scores runs everywhere. He's been run machine.

 

[fredfertang]

This would be a live idea if not for the fact that you don't exactly have specialist middle order batsmen knocking down the door from outside the side at the moment either. If Stokes opens it lets you bring in Vince, Malan or Pope (guessing from recent squads as to whom they'd select) and I don't think they offer all much immediate hope over the next opener of the month anyway.

There's Woakes - can't imagine he'll get a bowling gig in Sri Lanka but he's done enough to justify a middle order berth

 

[Moonsorrow999]

If Burns is supposed to be this good and has been for years and never dropping that consistency. Why in the hell has he not been picked when all of the opening picks so far have either been contencious or just rubbish? Even Cook had been pathetic so there were for sure 2 spots open!

 

[theegyptian]

If Burns is supposed to be this good and has been for years and never dropping that consistency. Why in the hell has he not been picked when all of the opening picks so far have either been contencious or just rubbish? Even Cook had been pathetic so there were for sure 2 spots open!

Well he had solid results without being spectacular until this year. I mean Sangakarra averaged twice what Burns did last year at Surrey, Stoneman 10 more than Burns. I don't think Burns has ever topped the Surrey averages.

 

[wpdavid]

Well he (Burns) had solid results without being spectacular until this year. I mean Sangakarra averaged twice what Burns did last year at Surrey, Stoneman 10 more than Burns. I don't think Burns has ever topped the Surrey averages.

As a Surrey follower, I have to say that I completely agree. Hardly anyone say Burns as a potential test player until this season. Even his mum, who my wife knows quite well, wasn't arguing his case previously. In fact he may not have even been opening the batting until last year.

 

[Agricultural]

Well he had solid results without being spectacular until this year. I mean Sangakarra averaged twice what Burns did last year at Surrey, Stoneman 10 more than Burns. I don't think Burns has ever topped the Surrey averages.

Either you aren’t big on cricket or this is a Burns thing for you. His first class career average says it all. You are letting us know about one good season by Stoneman. Stoneman is crap. His career average says everything compared to Burns. Don’t compare them. Burns is vastly superior. Don’t compare Burns to a freak Sangakkara season either. Sangakkara is one of the best Fc and test men ever for a start. And it’s one season. Burns has been making plenty for several seasons. A bad Burns season equals a higher average than Stoneman career.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Stoneman crap? He broke the 1000 runs per season barrier about five seasons in a row, most of those runs at Chester-le, not a batting paradise by any measure.

 

[wpdavid]

Either you aren’t big on cricket or this is a Burns thing for you. His first class career average says it all. You are letting us know about one good season by Stoneman. Stoneman is crap. His career average says everything compared to Burns. Don’t compare them. Burns is vastly superior. Don’t compare Burns to a freak Sangakkara season either. Sangakkara is one of the best Fc and test men ever for a start. And it’s one season. Burns has been making plenty for several seasons.

Good luck finding any examples of folks pushing for Burns' selection before this season. I really don't think it happened.