The Unpopular Opinions Thread

[Gnske]

Exactly, because you think it's happening until you get vice gripped and you realize in reality you were just being used and your happiness was a fleeting moment.

Getting set is just confidence, it's like fake news how being set has become mainstream.

 

[Groundking]

Exactly, because you think it's happening until you get vice gripped and you realize in reality you were just being used and your happiness was a fleeting moment.

Getting set is just confidence, it's like fake news how being set has become mainstream.

And that's why you can get some batsmen come in and look like they could just never get set not matter how long they're in for, even if they have been in for a long while.

 

[Engle]

Then how do you explain batsmen starting off slowly and later accelerating ?

 

[srbhkshk]

Getting set is 100% a fact, there's no debate there. Here for instance are the additional runs / dismissals after having scored x amount of runs chart for the fab four. There's a very clear increase for all in the 0-20 runs period. What's interesting to me though is that this doesn't actually become constant after that, it still tends to have good variability and in both directions too.

 

[Kirkut]

Finger spin is the best form of bowling
Attritional cricket on slow dead pitches is entertaining
The Nagpur wicket wasn't that bad
Performances against minnows, on flat decks, and playing at home should all be considered just as important
Gavaskar isn't a racist
Kohli should bat at 4 in ODIs
Some women could complete in top level mens cricket
The best policy to deal with bowlers who chuck is to just ban any bowler that looks dodgy, regardless of what testing shows
On that note - the ICC testing for chucking lacks transparency and that's a problem
Asian desserts are good


Flame away

You forgot Asian spirits.

 

[Kirkut]

Speed guns have ruined the art of fast bowling, and in some cases careers too. Fast bowling has become a math now and not an art, a jaffa at 126 kph may not attract as much attention as a 159 kph delivery well left by the batsman.

 

[Burgey]

Finger spin is the best form of bowling - no, it's the worst by far
Attritional cricket on slow dead pitches is entertaining - sometimes
The Nagpur wicket wasn't that bad - unlike your posts, but just like your face
Performances against minnows, on flat decks, and playing at home should all be considered just as important - bullshit. Context is everything.
Gavaskar isn't a racist - he isn't when it suits him not to be, like when he chooses to play the race card against match referees
Kohli should bat at 4 in ODIs - no one cares unless it's a WC
Some women could complete in top level mens cricket - very, very few. And if they did it as bowlers they would have to be finger spinners and therefore dross
The best policy to deal with bowlers who chuck is to just ban any bowler that looks dodgy, regardless of what testing shows - wish the mods would ban you tbh
On that note - the ICC testing for chucking lacks transparency and that's a problem - yes it is a problem.
Asian desserts are good - patently false. Of all the **** things you've posted (and they are legion), this is the worst.


Flame away

- Transcribed by TBT on instructions from Burgey.

 

[cnerd123]

work ethic and passion aren't talents ffs the former is a value and the latter is an emotion

You don't think some people are born with more/less work ethic and passion than others?

If so, that's where we're disagreeing then. I think these things are probably as innate as physical ability and intelligence.

 

[Burgey]

There's probably a bit of both involved, but I think work ethic is more cultural than innate.

 

[cnerd123]

I think it's a mix of nature and nurture when you talk about physical ability as well, isn't it? It's no surprise the best athletes in most sports grew up playing several different sports - they learn so much more body cooordination that way.

It's just a weird thing in sport how we always lament those who are physically gifted but lack the mental skills/work ethic/desire for success, but we never feel sad when there is a smart, adaptable, driven, hard working cricketer who just doesn't possess the physical ability to match it. The 'what ifs' never get applied to them.

 

[SteveNZ]

You don't think some people are born with more/less work ethic and passion than others?

If so, that's where we're disagreeing then. I think these things are probably as innate as physical ability and intelligence.

Work ethic is somewhere up near 100% nurtured, not natured.

 

[SteveNZ]

Form has been proven to be a myth (statistically anyways), but getting set feels like a real thing to me. There have been plenty of cases where a player is just in the zone from ball 1 though, so maybe that's what Gnske is referring to - that you don't always need to spend time in the middle to 'get set'. Or maybe he's just being Gnske

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/42481-class-permanent-form-illusion.html

Seems the charts posted in this thread aren't working anymore.

This is when boffins think everything can be explained in black and white by crunching numbers. Of course form isn't a bloody myth. Was Aaron Finch 'in form' in the English T20 this year, or was it just a statistical anomaly that he scored a shitload of runs? Or is he regularly that good, regularly that better than the standard? Call it confidence, call it form, call it whatever...it's a thing. Just like that hilarious English poster who used to support Yorkshire and sook about everything, and said experience was irrelevant in sport.

And Gnske must be referring to Stick Cricket when he says getting set isn't a thing. Jeepers.

 

[Flem274*]

You don't think some people are born with more/less work ethic and passion than others?

If so, that's where we're disagreeing then. I think these things are probably as innate as physical ability and intelligence.

i think some are nutured to work hard, or learn it themselves, and others are not or choose not to.

Work ethic is a choice.

 

[cnerd123]

Yea I disagree, and that's why I say that here in the thread dedicated to unpopular opinions.

I should get an award for most on-topic post tbh

 

[trundler]

The debate seems to be about what is and isn't a choice, which CC isn't the right place for.

Also the first post says you have to cop anything that comes your way you ****

 

[Gnske]

Then how do you explain batsmen starting off slowly and later accelerating ?

It's an even more boring sport to play, take it from me.

 

[harsh.ag]

Yea I disagree, and that's why I say that here in the thread dedicated to unpopular opinions.

I should get an award for most on-topic post tbh

All your opinions are unpopular so it's not like you've to put in any effort

 

[trundler]

And thank Zeus that they are.

 

[Starfighter]

The '150 km/h' bowler is a myth. There has never been a bowler, at least one who's been measured, who could average over 150 for more than a brief period (talking maybe three overs here), and certainly not over the course of a test series.

 

[Engle]

Any fielder who catches a ball off the bat must have control of it for at least 3 seconds for the catch to count.

I am wary of fielders who instantly celebrate after barely making contact with the ball by tossing it away

Perhaps an unpopular opinion - but hopefully sway opinion towards a popular one