The Unpopular Opinions Thread

[Mr Miyagi]

By SR criterion, there were zero good ODI batsman in the world apart from Viv before 00s.

Zaheer Abbas was useful.

Smithy and L Cairns could finish.

 

[Bolo]

What if in 5 years 450 becomes the norm and Buttler's SR becomes just okay in hindsight

Mods please infract Trundler for this personal attack on ODI cricket.

 

[srbhkshk]

Zaheer Abbas was useful.

Smithy and L Cairns could finish.

SR of 85.. Shameful.

 

[trundler]

Mods please infract Trundler for this personal attack on ODI cricket.

Being a trundler, I'm most pained by the direction ODI cricket is headed in.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

What is funnier is Gower career SR of 75 in ODI - which goes to 84 in 42 WSC or in Aus games. He smashed the ball so much and so often in Australia in the 1980's that he should have made it a thing. Just ahead of his time I guess.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...-zealand-4th-match-aus-tri-series-cb-1982-83/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...-zealand-3rd-match-aus-tri-series-cb-1982-83/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...nd-4th-odi-england-tour-of-australia-1978-79/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...zealand-11th-match-aus-tri-series-cb-1982-83/

(seriously - this one to check out!!!)

 

[trundler]

Zaheer Abbas had a short career. Difficult to judge those.
Also Viv was striking at 95 at one point. Ridiculous.

 

[Engle]

Zaheer Abbas 62 ODI matches in those dayz would pass any selective criteria for inclusion in a performance study.
In fact, it is very likely that had he played today, his numbers would match those past performances, if not exceed them.

 

[trundler]

Zaheer Abbas 62 ODI matches in those dayz would pass any selective criteria for inclusion in a performance study.
In fact, it is very likely that had he played today, his numbers would match those past performances, if not exceed them.

Him and Greg Chappell, probably yeah but he may have Sparx
Slowed down in that era if he played more. Reasonable to assume not but I overlook for caution.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I'll start:
Jacques Kallis is immensely overrated as an all-rounder. He isn't one like Sobers, Miller and Khan. He's more of a batsman that can bowl a bit, albeit clearly better than anyone else of the same class i.e S Waugh. Kumble isn't an all-rounder and he isn't either. I also think bowling all rounders tend to get underrated. Easier to average 30 and 54 bowling 20 overs per game than 39 and 22 or 40 and 25.

True.
Shaun Pollock equal or better in tests
And miles ahead in ODIs

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Mike Procter is the greatest cricketer since Gary Sobers
( Procter and Rice more Guaranteed Greats than Barry Richards for Sure. )

 

[S.Kennedy]

On here, cricketweb?

This usually raises some heckles,

- Mark Wood is actually great, but his international career has been hindered through injury. International fans have truly not seen the best of Wood.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

On here, cricketweb?

This usually raises some heckles,

- Mark Wood is actually great, but his international career has been hindered through injury. International fans have truly not seen the best of Wood.

But hAve we seen the best of Willey and Ball?

 

[S.Kennedy]

But hAve we seen the best of Willey and Ball?

Willey is just a twenty20 guy now. I have seen some good performances by Ball but he is a bit of a dibbly dobbler.

 

[ankitj]

Partially. He was ok for some years. I just consider him to have been over-rated and quite average due to his strike rate. He's not bad obviously.

You know he was adjudged ICC ODI cricketer of the year for 2 years back to back. He was hugging #1 ODI batsman ranking for best part of 2 years somewhere around 2007 to 2008. Not even a top order batsman has done that (may be Kohli/DeVilliers have more recently, haven't checked). For a lower order batsman to do that shows his quality and consistency. He has also had a superb acumen for limited over batting which is a somewhat underappreciated talent.

 

[ankitj]

Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo

Mixing cause and effect. I think I have done an essay on this before.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

But hAve we seen the best of Willey and Ball?

Even if you havn't - do you really want to see more J Ball?

J Ball for me is from the Rahat Ali school of this bowler will make me change the channel soon.

 

[sunilz]

Buttler who has never been ranked in top 10 in ICC ODI rankings is now being compared to player who has spent a major portion of his career in top 5 and ranked no.1 for about 2 to 3 years
http://www.relianceiccrankings.com/...ted2=0&name_selected=6609&name_selected2=7191

A player who has been selected maximum times in ICC ODI team of the year is now being called over rated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_ODI_Team_of_the_Year#Multiple_selections

A player who has won ICC ODI cricketer of the year twice is now being compared to player who has not been nominated even once for the award
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_ODI_Player_of_the_Year_Award#List_of_Winners

Buttler has not spent more than 1 month above Dhoni in last 5 years in ICC rankings.

Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo

Performance of buttler in matches involving Dhoni. As i said earlier he has lots to prove.

 

[sunilz]

Question for buttler fans

Who is better ODI opener ?

Rohit sharma or Gilchrist. Take ur time.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Question for buttler fans

Who is better ODI opener ?

Rohit sharma or Gilchrist. Take ur time.

Ahhh, the ol' Tendulkar or Kohli, you can only pick one

 

[Daemon]

I'm not fussed over Buttler v Dhoni. Obviously Dhoni has the better career atm because of sheer volume but one can reasonably see Buttler going ahead to do better. I disagree with selecting him in an ATG XI but it's an imaginary XI who gives a **** really.

What I cannot fathom is how one can believe Dhoni was ordinary from 2005-2013