Partially. He was ok for some years. I just consider him to have been over-rated and quite average due to his strike rate. He's not bad obviously.
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The Unpopular Opinions Thread
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I don't care if this is rude but this is just next level stupid.
You've exposed yourself to be honest. If you are going to be rude, then at least debate why your opinion differs. You've got nearly 28,000 posts and debate like a child.
Dhoni's strike rate is not good enough. 88 SR and 127 SR is hopeless for a hitter. For an average player it's ok at best. Many consider him to be an ODI great, his stats are anything but that.
I'll block you now as you can't debate like an adult.
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Thanks
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400 scores weren't a thing until this year. Dhoni's strike rate is lowered by the fact he makes sure he sticks around till the end. IIRC it's higher in the first innings.
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His SR is 95 in the first innings. Apparently this is mediocre. Unfathomably dumb.
Second innings strike rates are completely meaningless as long as you win the game, which Dhoni usually ensured, until 2014 or so.
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Exactly. I think John is massively misunderstanding his role. Dhoni perfected the Bevan role
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Haha I was only thinking the other day that I suspect one day people will argue about Dhoni after he retires they do about Bevan now due to this same sort of statistics and what they meant in context, but apparently we don't actually have to wait for him to retire.
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Mr Miyagi
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reload it - seriously.
It is Dhoni's losses when chasing.
try this:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=2;template=results;type=batting;view=innings
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Literally my fault too. Hilarious.
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garylyon
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He played nearly half his ODIs before 2010, and by those standards an SR of 88 is anything but 'measly'. And yea his SR has dropped of late (~ 85 last couple years, which is poor). He's definitely an ODI ATG in my book because for the better part of his career he paced the innings very well and knew just when to hit big and when to play those steady knocks to take India home. His SR isn't as good as Sehwag or Afridi for the same reason. To say that his stats warrant him only an 'average' status is not something I would agree to, considering he has consistently averaged more than fifty (one of about 3-4 players to do so) at a SR which was pretty impressive for the most part of his career.
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I dun know about that. VK to me is a true chasing freak (he just keeps finding 2's from good balls). Dhoni, less so.
VK to me is already the greatest #3 to have played odi cricket.
When chasing - he knows how to pace perfectly.
VK, ABDV and Viv are the 3 best ODI batsmen in the middle for me. Bar none.
I'd take Buttler over Dhoni.
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What if in 5 years 450 becomes the norm and Buttler's SR becomes just okay in hindsight
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If 450 becomes the morm in 5 years, I expect Jos to be part of the force increasing the norm, tbh.
I don't think its going to be T Paine. Or Dhoni. Or Sarfaraz. I'd be stoked if it was Latham, but doubtful.
But you're right, I do value SR - but I don't make a secret of it. I think it is legitimate.
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garylyon
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Fair enough.
Virat is definitely a chasing freak as you put it and Dhoni as of last decade or so has done little to come close. But to come in at 5-6, have that kind of average with a fairly impressive SR (ignoring post-2014 Dhoni) and win so many games as and in the way he did is definitely not something you could write off as 'average'.
