***Official*** Australia in England 2018

[Black_Warrior]

A very simple point really - that you're a biased and blind fan who makes convenient excuses like "they were checked out" after their team receives a thrashing.

 

[TheJediBrah]

A very simple point really - that you're a biased and blind fan who makes convenient excuses like "they were checked out" after their team receives a thrashing.

M8 I'm not just talking about your last post, you've come in here with seemingly no motive or point other than "haha Australia suck they lose"

It's just not interesting

 

[Gnske]

A very simple point really - that you're a biased and blind fan who makes convenient excuses like "they were checked out" after their team receives a thrashing.

Just like your posts

 

[Burgey]

Not too many people care that much about this series but obviously we'd rather win than lose.

Honestly last night my care factor for sport at around 8pm last night in order was: 1. Australia vs France (football), 2. Broncos vs Sharks (league), 3. Australia vs Ireland (Rugby) and in fourth place this second ODI.

With 6 of our best players unavailable this series it is just helping us work out for the most part who shouldn't be part of our best XI. You look at Short, Stoinis, Maxwell, Agar, Head all in the same XI - you'd think a maximum of 3 (with MMarsh added to that group) would actually make a World Cup XI.

Would rather watch ***** and the HK T20 Incel XI than a rugby match tbh.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Would rather watch ***** and the HK T20 Incel XI than a rugby match tbh.

League is rugby you know

 

[Gnske]

League is rugby you know

No no, very different. Rugby makes people laugh, rugby league makes people smile.

 

[social]

I am perhaps kicking my own country in the bollocks here but why do you Aussies care? You have the Ashes. Six billion ODI wins does not equate one paltry run in an Ashes test. These truly are the most pointless cricket matches, a mark of which is that I am watching the FIFA World Cup (a sport I usually don't like) instead.

Whomever did the scheduling obviously didnt care whether Australians watched or not as it was up against the Socceroos in the WC, Wallaby test, AFL & NRL

I turned it off when I saw that we were bowling and Stanlake wasn't playing

Anyway, if Paine must play, make him open an anywhere else he clogs up the batting and he's had success there before

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Whomever did the scheduling obviously didnt care whether Australians watched or not as it was up against the Socceroos in the WC, Wallaby test, AFL & NRL

I turned it off when I saw that we were bowling and Stanlake wasn't playing

Anyway, if Paine must play, make him open an anywhere else he clogs up the batting and he's had success there before

Might of been deliberately scheduled that way out of sympathy for Australian cricket fans.

Shame France and Ireland spoiled it. Still - there's always AFL :P

If Paine opens, that is killing the powerplay advantage for openers. I'm sure Paine is trying his best, but not everyone is a free scorer.

 

[Daemon]

Anyway, if Paine must play, make him open an anywhere else he clogs up the batting and he's had success there before

You already have 4 openers excluding the bloke banned for cheating though

 

[TheJediBrah]

That's why there's just no place for Paine. If he can't open, he's useless. And he can't open because there are 5 or 6 guys who would all be better there than him.

Warner, Finch, Head, Short, Stoinis, Smarsh, even Maxwell would all be better openers. Carey would even be a better ODI opener.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Yeah - I agree with JediBrah on this. Tim Paine looks totally out of place in the ODI team. And he did earlier this year.

So making him captain over Finch was just bizarre.

But the Australian cricket selectors and coach need to sit down, and work out some teams, instead of talented players in XI's if they're going to turn this slump around, because England, India, NZ, Pak (and they have so few batsmen!), and even post Morkel and ABdV South Africa are definitely thinking team based XI's and strategies these days.

 

[Gnske]

But Tim Paine is the golden boy who will change Australian cricket forever and make us real nice people.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

But Tim Paine is the golden boy who will change Australian cricket forever and make us real nice people.

That might explain why Tye tried to take Paine's head off Lillee style last night.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

But Paine is only part of the problem, S Marsh still goes too slow, M Marsh still goes too slow when batting high, S Smith still goes too slow on flat pitches and has been suffocated by ordinary English bowling -regardless of Indian spin skill in India, Head is still a problem, Short has a weakness to spin even in England in June, Finch looks fast until Jason Roy or Bairstow or Hales bat, and Maxwell while being more than fast enough, is being found out more often and in more places.

And Stoinis goes from not bowling a single over in 1 game, to being a 10 over bowler in the next.

What is going on Australia selectors?

(For the record I have no issues with Stoinis bowling at all).

But is this part of some secret strategy where the Australian selectors are just giving everyone a chance in different positions and then suddenly unveil some cohesive team that catches everyone off guard at the World Cup? Or are they just scrambling around like headless chickens?

 

[stephen]

They're not going to sack Paine half way through this series, despite the fact that Carey should play ahead of him based on cricketing reasons.

Whoever we pick though we're shuffling deckchairs on the titanic without Smith and Warner and Starc.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm not really that concerned at all, the Aussie ODI "slump" is being made out to be a much bigger deal than it is. Of every series loss over the last year or so only 1 had anything close to a full strength side. The biggest issue is most have just been ****, weakened sides. The main thing they need is consistency. It's hard when your frontline bowlers are "injured"/rested more often than not, and you decide to ban your best batsmen but most of it they've brought on themselves. Aussie ODI selection over the last few years has been bonkers. Probably more than half the domestic players in the country have been given a debut at some stage.

If they get Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, Smith, Warner (and M Marsh I guess?) all together or at least something resembling a full-strength side and start losing a few series on the trot, then I'll be worried

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I'm not really that concerned at all, the Aussie ODI "slump" is being made out to be a much bigger deal than it is. Of every series loss over the last year or so only 1 had anything close to a full strength side. The biggest issue is most have just been ****, weakened sides. The main thing they need is consistency. It's hard when your frontline bowlers are "injured"/rested more often than not, and you decide to ban your best batsmen but most of it they've brought on themselves. Aussie ODI selection over the last few years has been bonkers. Probably more than half the domestic players in the country have been given a debut at some stage.

If they get Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, Smith, Warner (and M Marsh I guess?) all together or at least something resembling a full-strength side and start losing a few series on the trot, then I'll be worried

Steve Smith in ODI - 82 SR in 2017 - in 2018 -SR 69. 69 - THAT'S LIKE THE 1980'S.

England will serve flat pitches in the WC - he won't be solving the problem Australia has on flat pitches. Nor has Mitch Marsh as yet.

Ignoring 2018 where Smith was clearly out of sorts, look at these games from 2017:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ndia-vs-australia-2nd-odi-aus-in-ind-2017-18/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ndia-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-ind-2017-18/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...10th-match-group-a-icc-champions-trophy-2017/



Warner may a bit. But not enough imo to close the gap on the top teams.

Australia needs more runs, more swiftly.

 

[stephen]

I seem to remember a year out from the last World Cup that Australia was looking awful. This is the time to be preparing for the only ODI tournament that matters. And despite England playing at home and having a decent ODI side for the first time in forever I just can't see them winning next year. They'll have a repeat of the Champion's Trophy and lose to a team that peaks at the right time.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I seem to remember a year out from the last World Cup that Australia was looking awful. This is the time to be preparing for the only ODI tournament that matters. And despite England playing at home and having a decent ODI side for the first time in forever I just can't see them winning next year. They'll have a repeat of the Champion's Trophy and lose to a team that peaks at the right time.

Aus need to start taking bilateral ODIs more seriously. They seem to "rest" players more than anyone else. If the new ODI championship thing goes through it should help.

No point getting your full strength team together for a WC if they've never played together as a team.

 

[stephen]

Steve Smith in ODI - SR in 2017 - 82 SR in 2018 - 69.

England will serve flat pitches in the WC - he won't be solving the problem Australia has on flat pitches. Nor has Mitch Marsh as yet.

Warner may a bit. But not enough imo to close the gap on the top teams.

Did you even watch what happened earlier this year?

Steve Smith basically was on the field for the entire Ashes series making 183353 runs. He was exhausted by the time that the ODIs came around and checked out. If you think he will be checked out next year the same way then you're dreaming. He'll be back with bloody minded vengeance on his mind and be playing to restore his reputation. Bowling attacks watch out.