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Australian Domestic Season 2017/18

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So pathways programs .....

Hadn't been exposed to this bs for about 30 years until today

Took Social Jnr along to a regional trial with zero expectations and those lessened immediately when the sole adult with authority said that they were looking for "technique not performance at club level."

Ookayyy

There were 79 kids trying out for 20 provisional squad spots in 5 nets - do the math wtr to numbers lining up to bowl!

After about half an hour, I was ready to pull stumps as Jnr had bowled one ball because there was no supervision and kids from the same school literally gave the ball to their mates

Long story short - sole selector watched Jnr bowl 2 balls (one of which was a a head high full toss that would've cleaned up fine leg) and didn't see him bat

Despite this, he made the cut off and I can only attribute this to the fact that he used to be a perennial 5th grader with a club that I used to play at

System is a farce and any pissed off parents have every right to be
The reason I gave up cricket as a teenager was because I went to regional tryouts and a guy from my club, who didn't bowl spin for the club at all, got picked as the regional spinner ahead of me after them watching a single over. This is despite the fact that I had the lowest bowling average for the club and a ton of wickets (I later found out that the only reason I didn't get the bowling award for my club was because I'd bowled just under half the overs of the opening bowler across the season). The two club matches before that I'd literally dismissed both of the opening bats picked at regionals.

It was at that point that I pretty much gave up my cricketing ambitions and went and did other stuff. I didn't play cricket again until I was 23. I worked my butt off to get good again to get ignored by selectors at one club (shoved into the bottom team and not given any overs at all), before switching clubs. I immediately took 11 wickets in 3 innings only to be placed in a C team next to a former first grade quick who topped the wicket tallies every year in the comp. I still managed to take 15 wickets a season at a low average for three seasons before quitting the game again around age 30 when it was clear I was never going to get anywhere with the sport, despite performing with the ball at every opportunity I got.

I'm sure that my story is quite common. And I don't actually know if objectively it was the right thing at each step. But I do know that 14 year old me had a choice - I could play club cricket or I could work on Saturdays and earn $50 a week and buy some stuff instead and the message I got from the regional tryouts that time was that I had no hope of ever being selected.

Cricketers are not created in a vacuum. If I was ever to have gone anywhere, I needed to play when I was 15, 16, 17 and 18 and continue on. And even then I still probably wouldn't have made it. But 14 year old me needed to be pushed for that to happen and my parents never did. All the cricketers who got anywhere at club level were the ones that had parents pushing them and sending down balls in the nets and pulling the political strings behind the scenes to make sure that not only did they get picked, but they got enough overs each week to press their case and got to bat high enough up the order to be seen from a young age. And then they still had to be immensely talented.

One of the kids I played with in C grade had a younger brother batting in first grade. Thing is, this kid was reasonably quick and naturally quite talented with the bat and was probably at third grade standard. But his brother devoted every waking moment to batting. I remember bowling a ton of deliveries in the nets to him at training. I'd say that the older brother had an equal amount of talent but the younger brother honed his more. The older brother I don't think is playing any more while the younger brother is still playing first grade.

There is so much politics in cricket, particularly if you're a spin bowler. Shane Warne said that you pretty much have to be best friends with the captain to go anywhere as a spinner and I genuinely believe him. If you end up in the wrong team under a terrible captain you basically waste an entire season frustrated at watching him throw the ball to every medium pace rubbish merchant in the team before you. And the lower the grade you're in, the less the team needs a spinner (and the less impact a good spinner is going to have). But even if you're not a spin bowler, if you don't have the support networks in place or play the politics correctly you probably aren't going to go anywhere. It's a terrible sport for individual advancement because often performance matters little (I mean even a batsman as good as Maxwell isn't getting picked for the test side due to politics). If you look at the top grade performers you'll almost certainly find a few blokes who have excellent numbers but don't get picked at first class level.

I desperately love cricket but the worst thing about the sport is the selection side of it. Great players go for long stretches as 12th man and waste their talents. Some players get far too much grace while others get little. Personality and connections count for a lot. But at the same time they don't. The best players still manage to break through all of that and play international cricket and set records. It's a beautiful sport.
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Variations on this theme are everywhere. Insane stuff isn’t it? And once they’re picked it’s harder to get out than in.
The thing that really pissed me off more than anything was the blokes who would never turn up to training and still got picked. My club used to run lower grade training on Tuesdays and Thursdays and some guys wouldn't show up to either and would get picked ahead of guys who showed up to both sessions. They then cut it back to Wednesday nights only and they still didn't show. They still got picked. And then the club wonders why people don't show up to training.
 

TheJediBrah

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There is so much politics in cricket, particularly if you're a spin bowler. Shane Warne said that you pretty much have to be best friends with the captain to go anywhere as a spinner and I genuinely believe him. If you end up in the wrong team under a terrible captain you basically waste an entire season frustrated at watching him throw the ball to every medium pace rubbish merchant in the team before you. And the lower the grade you're in, the less the team needs a spinner (and the less impact a good spinner is going to have). But even if you're not a spin bowler, if you don't have the support networks in place or play the politics correctly you probably aren't going to go anywhere. It's a terrible sport for individual advancement because often performance matters little (I mean even a batsman as good as Maxwell isn't getting picked for the test side due to politics). If you look at the top grade performers you'll almost certainly find a few blokes who have excellent numbers but don't get picked at first class level.
I sort of skimmed through most of your complaining but there's definitely truth to this. Spin bowling in club cricket is a real lottery. Watching in the nets some random guy bowling spin for the first time can look just as good as a specialist spinner and who gets a bowl as a spinner can largely be down to who the captain goes with. You can't really see who is actually good as it takes consistency and bowling in match situations over extended periods of time to different players. This doesn't just happen in lower grades either.

The thing that really pissed me off more than anything was the blokes who would never turn up to training and still got picked. My club used to run lower grade training on Tuesdays and Thursdays and some guys wouldn't show up to either and would get picked ahead of guys who showed up to both sessions. They then cut it back to Wednesday nights only and they still didn't show. They still got picked. And then the club wonders why people don't show up to training.
geez you would love me. I train a few times a year
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
What age group is that?
That's another point of contention

It was billed as a trial for u/13s & u/14s with only those who don't turn 15 until after 31 August 2018 being eligible to attend

However, they mixed all the kids up together and only picked one train-on squad

Now you dont have to be Einstein to work out that there is a huge difference between most kids of 12 and 14

As Jnr is 12 and born in November, I assume that he's got at least another 2 years in the same group but **** knows as the whole thing was a complete rabble
 
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social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
One other point that I forgot to mention was that 6 kids apparently nominated as w/ks

As there were no fielding drills or anything to assess their ability with the gloves, 3 were chosen on the basis of their batting in a 5 minute net session

Will be pretty funny if none of them can catch
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Haha.

I used to coach Under 16 State Championship side. We would end up inviting 80 kids, but only invite half at a time, four sessions overall and we'd see each kid twice for two hours - so we'd end up having thirty kids each (with ten not being interested/rocking up) so we could get a handle on them. There's no way you could know every kid when you have 40+ there at once; we'd want to be able to provide some sort of technical feedback for any kid who didn't get through, and if you couldn't do that properly then your session is useless.
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I sort of skimmed through most of your complaining but there's definitely truth to this. Spin bowling in club cricket is a real lottery. Watching in the nets some random guy bowling spin for the first time can look just as good as a specialist spinner and who gets a bowl as a spinner can largely be down to who the captain goes with. You can't really see who is actually good as it takes consistency and bowling in match situations over extended periods of time to different players. This doesn't just happen in lower grades either.



geez you would love me. I train a few times a year
I really find it irritating when people don't train. How do people expect to hold a clutch catch if they've not been practicing their catches? How does a batsman go in with the confidence to bat well if they haven't hit any in the nets?

As to the politics, my advice to any junior is to forget specialising in bowling and focus on their batting. A decent batter can usually pick up a few overs but a decent bowler won't necessarily get a bowl. Unless you're naturally tall and quick you'll never get far as a bowler anyway if you can't bat. Same with keepers - focus on your batting and do your keeping part time.

The thing is your body changes so much during your teenage years that focusing on bowling too young can be pointless. If you shot up 6 inches between seasons your accuracy will be out at the start off the next season anyway.
 

TheJediBrah

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I really find it irritating when people don't train. How do people expect to hold a clutch catch if they've not been practicing their catches? How does a batsman go in with the confidence to bat well if they haven't hit any in the nets?

As to the politics, my advice to any junior is to forget specialising in bowling and focus on their batting. A decent batter can usually pick up a few overs but a decent bowler won't necessarily get a bowl. Unless you're naturally tall and quick you'll never get far as a bowler anyway if you can't bat. Same with keepers - focus on your batting and do your keeping part time.

The thing is your body changes so much during your teenage years that focusing on bowling too young can be pointless. If you shot up 6 inches between seasons your accuracy will be out at the start off the next season anyway.
In grade cricket it's fair enough to expect everyone to train regularly. IIRC a lot of clubs just wouldn't pick you if you don't train regularly twice a week unless you're a special case.

Club cricket is different though. Not everyone takes it that seriously and training is ****ing boring. People work late too, have family commitments etc. Of course you should give preference to people who train but you're not going to pick someone who is a lot worse than someone else just because they train more, IMO
 

stephen

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I was talking grade. A lot of park cricket is just teams of blokes who want something to do on a Saturday.
 

Burgey

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NSW unsurprisingly losing the first innings points. Again. Had the worst of the bowling conditions with a wet ball but never looked threatening.
 

quincywagstaff

International Debutant
If Victoria make the final without having won a home match, would that be the first such occasion since the final system was introduced?
 

Midwinter

State Captain
looking at the live ladder,prior to the completion of the qld v sa game, Vics have jumped from last to first☺
SA are currently last but if they win they would then be first ?
 

brockley

International Captain
Good move,you never know he could get a call up for NSW,looking at his form next year.
See Nick Maddison signing with the Stars,who knows.
 

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