*** Official*** South Africa in England 2017

[Gob]

Obviously Faf is a decent player and an upgrade but not sure why he is being made out to be Jesus. Averages 44, 6 test tons is hardly a world class performer coming in.

They have a bloke averaging 33 batting at four. South Africa's batting has really fallen from the grace. Man how good was Jaques Kallis.

 

[Daemon]

Time to bring this one out again

The bearded beauty named Moeen,
Soon to be knighted by the Queen

For being a perfectly reasonable bowler, for ****s sake
Leaving Indian wickets tumbling, in his wake

When the South Africans face him they'll require the heimlich
On PakPassion he's compared to the great Shoaib Malik

to be continued...​

 

[S.Kennedy]

Really? Ballance was admittedly not brilliant, but certainly not awful either. I'd also be loath to drop him one match into his recall on principle. Dawson was basically outclassed by Moeen all-round, so would be under more threat for me.

Also, why do you want Northeast in? Stoneman I'd be more than fine with based on his recent form (and he did well in the Lions test), but Northeast hasn't really done anything much in FC matches recently (admittedly a good match against Durham, but that's just minnow bashing )

Sam Northeast,
47.92 this season at 65.59 s/r.

2016, 83.56 ave 1985 runs 67.35 s/r
2015, 46.72 1969 59.31
etc

He has been consistently excellent.

PS

Ballance should never have been recalled in the first place. He stands plonked there like a plank, deep in his crease.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Agreed, and after he got a fair amount of stick from a lot of people (me included) his scratchy knock showed he is gritty and he got more than many on that track in the 2nd dig.

He wants Northeast in as he thinks he is from there.

Seriously though, Kent players get hyped up all the time and very rarely are they any good.

Yes. Woolley, Bythe, Chapman, Underwood, Ames, Denness, Cowdrey: all shite.

 

[grecian]

Sam Northeast,
47.92 this season at 65.59 s/r.

2016, 83.56 ave 1985 runs 67.35 s/r
2015, 46.72 1969 59.31
etc

He has been consistently excellent.

PS

Ballance should never have been recalled in the first place. He stands plonked there like a plank, deep in his crease.

Look I wouldn't pick Ballance either, but if you are just bringing up first-class records, then you could mention Ballance's at the same time, for ya know balance.

He keeps getting picked because he's clearly the best in county cricket.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Look I wouldn't pick Ballance either, but if you are just bringing up first-class records, then you could mention Ballance's at the same time, for ya know balance.

He keeps getting picked because he's clearly the best in county cricket.

Ballance was found out at international level years ago. Bowl fullish at the stumps.

Alright, give him yet another run - by all means - but why should Ballance get yet another run based on county form when the likes of Northeast, Rocky, Borthwick, Westley are completely overlooked? I do not get it. It is the same with Finn if we switch the argument to bowlers. Finn was being selected over Onions (when his back wasn't buggered and he was taking 70 wickets per season).

Ballance has had how many chances for England now? He is also stodgy. Cook is stodgy. Jennings is a little stodgy. It is only when you get to Root, Bairstow and Stokes that you find the attacking players. You are going to get three stodgy players at the top of the order.

 

[grecian]

Not mentioned much but Jimmeh was pretty excellent in this match, being the eternal pessimist I am I keep on expecting every fresh season for him to be finished, yet he's still rocking along, with the occasional unplayable ball on surfaces that don't suit.

 

[grecian]

Ballance was found out at international level years ago. Bowl fullish at the stumps.

Alright, give him yet another run - by all means - but why should Ballance get yet another run based on county form when the likes of Northeast, Rocky, Borthwick, Westley are completely overlooked? I do not get it. It is the same with Finn if we switch the argument to bowlers. Finn was being selected over Onions (when his back wasn't buggered and he was taking 70 wickets per season).

Ballance has had how many chances for England now? He is also stodgy. Cook is stodgy. Jennings is a little stodgy. It is only when you get to Root, Bairstow and Stokes that you find the attacking players. You are going to get three stodgy players at the top of the order.

I really have no idea why you are bringing up Finn, he's not in the squad, in the end his record in tests was better than Onions for most of his career, despite the small matter of him being 6 years younger. I was at the ground for Onions greatest moment, so I love him for that, but consistent injuries was always a problem.

Why would England care if our top 3 is stodgy when we have Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Ali, Woakes, Broad to come? we consistently score runs at a ridiculously high rate, it really isn't remotely a problem.

you talk as if ballance has failed throughout his england career, it's just not true at all, he was hugely successful at first.

Again I probably wouldn't pick him, I even think he could be a passenger, but it's not the travesty you make out, and again this is the least "stodgy" England team I've ever known.

 

[mr_mister]

Moeen Ali will give Botham a run. Stats wise


Will be tough to get as low as 28 with the ball from where he is but he could comfortably get clear of the 33 he averaged with the bat

 

[grecian]

Moeen Ali will give Botham a run. Stats wise


Will be tough to get as low as 28 with the ball from where he is but he could comfortably get clear of the 33 he averaged with the bat

People being obsessed with his bowling average is annoying, you get people comparing him with the likes of Watson and Duminy, but in the end you have to look beyond the averages and see how many wickets he takes per Tests which is massively above those batting all-rounders. Batting all-rounders don't slog through the times when bowling is tough, so rarely get the 1-100 type figures, Moeen does, so average poorer, but wickets much higher.

 

[mr_mister]

I'm well aware how bowling average works and the pitfalls of it thankyou

I'm an offie myself



Anyhow my point still stands. Botham had a similar case of a non flattering average but a bucketload of career wickets

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Soon to be #1 all-rounder in tests...Moeen Ali (Sorry *****)

 

[grecian]

I'm well aware how bowling average works and the pitfalls of it thankyou

I'm an offie myself



Anyhow my point still stands. Botham had a similar case of a non flattering average but a bucketload of career wickets

I was kinda agreeing with you in your point TBH, but ho-hum.

 

[mr_mister]

Hope so I love the beard

 

[mr_mister]

I was kinda agreeing with you in your point TBH, but ho-hum.

Sorry sorry I thought i was being lumped under the obsessed with bowling average tag

Nvm

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Hope so I love the beard

Moeen beard > Hashim beard

 

[morgieb]

Moeen Ali will give Botham a run. Stats wise


Will be tough to get as low as 28 with the ball from where he is but he could comfortably get clear of the 33 he averaged with the bat

Shakib's averages would be a goal for Moeen IMO.

 

[Black_Warrior]

He'd walk into your side. Ours too.

England - Yes anyone would make it to their top order.

Australia -
Warner
Renshaw
Khawaja
Smith
Handcombe

That's a pretty solid batting line up especially in Australian conditions. Don't see Faf necessarily making it.

And yes he has under achieved

 

[Black_Warrior]

Not sure what the fuss about Rabada's suspension here, tbh. Yes, what he did was something many other bowlers do around the world but as long as everyone gets that 1 demerit point, its fair, isn't it? I think the issue here was that he already had those 2 points carrying over. Also, the stump mic picking up being the trigger has gotta go. That seems so dumb coz its not on all the time, is it?

They talked about the incident with Dickwella that earned him 3 demerit points. Even more ridiculous

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

England - Yes anyone would make it to their top order.

Australia -
Warner
Renshaw
Khawaja
Smith
Handcombe

That's a pretty solid batting line up especially in Australian conditions. Don't see Faf necessarily making it.

And yes he has under achieved

Faf in for handscombe atm