Australian Test Selection 2016/2017

[the big bambino]

A little jarring seeing divergent opinions on the one player. Personally I prefer Travis Head out of all the younger batsman though Kurtis does deserve to be in front of him on performances.

 

[Midwinter]

What will it take for Wade to be dropped ?

Or will a decent score in his next couple of digs see him entrenched ?

 

[Red]

Still maintain that in the long term, Nevill will be as good a test batsman was Wade, if not better.

 

[NUFAN]

That missed stumping was a really ****-up by Wade. It could change the outcome of the Test as a 9th wicket of Sarfraz last night could have led to the 10th last night too or very early today. Now, who knows? If Pakistan bat for an hour plus Australia will bat again, I'm certain of it.

If Wade was in Bairstow- de Kock like batting form, I think it would be reasonable to select him as the keeper (although if he was batting like that, why not pick him as a specialist bat at 6) but as it stands, Nev should come back for the Indian tour. No other keeper that we would look at (so everyone bar Hartley) is doing enough at the moment, domestically.

The one good thing about the 3 young bats selected and their performances to date is that the selectors may shelve the idea of picking on a hunch. Maddinson was clearly not in the same form as the others and he has just looked nervous / out of his depth so far. I'm not completely writing him off, I'm sure he'll look better after a nice cover drive for 4, but still.

Also, have a look at Oz bats at 6 since 1 Jan 2014

innings: 49
runs: 1104
100's: 1
50's: 5
H/S: 100
Average: 24.53

 

[burr]

That missed stumping was a really ****-up by Wade. It could change the outcome of the Test as a 9th wicket of Sarfraz last night could have led to the 10th last night too or very early today. Now, who knows? If Pakistan bat for an hour plus Australia will bat again, I'm certain of it.

If Wade was in Bairstow- de Kock like batting form, I think it would be reasonable to select him as the keeper (although if he was batting like that, why not pick him as a specialist bat at 6) but as it stands, Nev should come back for the Indian tour. No other keeper that we would look at (so everyone bar Hartley) is doing enough at the moment, domestically.

The one good thing about the 3 young bats selected and their performances to date is that the selectors may shelve the idea of picking on a hunch. Maddinson was clearly not in the same form as the others and he has just looked nervous / out of his depth so far. I'm not completely writing him off, I'm sure he'll look better after a nice cover drive for 4, but still.

Also, have a look at Oz bats at 6 since 1 Jan 2014

innings: 49
runs: 1104
100's: 1
50's: 5
H/S: 100
Average: 24.53

Picking on form, who would have thought. Of course, Nevill does't get a chance to show he's played himself into some kind of long-game form because he doesn't play another Shield match until February. Grr, I really hate this fixturing. Can't be good for Aus cricket.

 

[Red]

Be interesting to see if there are any changes for Boxing Day, especially now that SMarsh has been ruled out (would have been the obvious change SMarsh <> Maddinson)

I'd give Maddinson this series now to show what he's got. No point in Callum Fergusson-ing another guy.

I'd also bring in Nevill for Wade but I suspect CA will want Wade to play so a few thousand dickheads in bay 13 can yell out "Niiiiice Garrrry".

So all that said, perhaps no changes. Thought Bird was good, and bowled his role really well at the Gabba

 

[TheJediBrah]

That missed stumping was a really ****-up by Wade. It could change the outcome of the Test as a 9th wicket of Sarfraz last night could have led to the 10th last night too or very early today. Now, who knows? If Pakistan bat for an hour plus Australia will bat again, I'm certain of it.

If Wade was in Bairstow- de Kock like batting form, I think it would be reasonable to select him as the keeper (although if he was batting like that, why not pick him as a specialist bat at 6) but as it stands, Nev should come back for the Indian tour. No other keeper that we would look at (so everyone bar Hartley) is doing enough at the moment, domestically.

The one good thing about the 3 young bats selected and their performances to date is that the selectors may shelve the idea of picking on a hunch. Maddinson was clearly not in the same form as the others and he has just looked nervous / out of his depth so far. I'm not completely writing him off, I'm sure he'll look better after a nice cover drive for 4, but still.

Also, have a look at Oz bats at 6 since 1 Jan 2014

innings: 49
runs: 1104
100's: 1
50's: 5
H/S: 100
Average: 24.53

Purely playing devils advocate here, but did Wade have any other notable blunders as keeper in Brisbane? or the previous test?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a matter of confirmation bias, ie. Wade is known as being a bad keeper so if he makes a mistake everyone jumps all over it as proof that they're right that he's a bad keeper. Nevill has definitely also made several similar big errors (missed stumpings) in the last year but I wonder if they don't get noticed as much because of his reputation as a more solid keeper.

Food for thought.



ps. since I know many posters here have an issue with reading comprehension, I'll spell it out, and reiterate that I'm not saying that I think Wade is a better keeper than Nevill

 

[Red]

Purely playing devils advocate here, but did Wade have any other notable blunders as keeper in Brisbane? or the previous test?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a matter of confirmation bias, ie. Wade is known as being a bad keeper so if he makes a mistake everyone jumps all over it as proof that they're right that he's a bad keeper. Nevill has definitely also made several similar big errors (missed stumpings) in the last year but I wonder if they don't get noticed as much because of his reputation as a more solid keeper.

Food for thought.

Yep. He was consistently sloppy to Lyon, he's really fumbly to spinners. He's ok to pace, but it's his keeping to spin that is (still) the legitimate concern. Lyon earned that wicket, and Wade missed a reasonably easy opportunity. A competent keeper would have pouched that. We can't take him to the SC, especially if there's plans to play two spinners.

https://twitter.com/CricketAus/status/809706912421789696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I don't think it's confirmation bias. Lyon made the opportunity and the keeper stuffed it big time. Nevill would be criticised the same as Wade if it was him.

A keeper at the elite level should have swallowed that stumping. He had sight of it all the way and it ended up above middle stump. His gloves were no-where near centred.

One interesting aspect is: is Wade colour blind? I thought I read somewhere that he has an affliction similar to Rogers'. If he's having trouble picking up the pink ball under lights, it's probably (another) legit reason why he shouldn't have been selected.

I don't wanna ****-can Wade by any means, but he isn't up to the task, and that sort of missed stumping will cost us a test sooner or later.

 

[stephen]

Going back to Wade was a mistake. The guy really is clueless when keeping to spinners and it really makes Lyon's job a lot harder.

You have to feel for Lyon. He gets so much scrutiny that even when he's going OK he is always being criticised. When he's a touch out of form he gets crucified. Having Wade behind the stumps must give him nightmares.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Maddinson just doesn't look like a test player (in the opinion of this Pom). He looked like he was cacking his pants.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Maddinson just doesn't look like a test player (in the opinion of this Pom). He looked like he was cacking his pants.

He's barely even a First-class player. His selection was/is incomprehensible

 

[Red]

As they said, it was a gut selection. It didn't make any sense bringing him in after our batting collapses considering his inconsistency, but now that Renshaw and Handscomb are establishing themselves, I don't see any reason not to give him the series. If it comes off, great, if not, Shaun Marsh or Kurt Patterson comes in for India.

The guy I feel most for is Callum Ferguson. Comes into the test side after 100+ FC matches and is then promptly dropped after a **** show of a test where pretty much every batsman failed. If you select a guy after 100 FC games there's a reason for selecting him, you know his game, and he should've played the whole home summer. And I think he's a good player of spin, making his dropping more perplexing considering we go to India after our summer.

 

[Spikey]

Lol wa bias strikes again

 

[Spikey]

Lol greg chappell strikes again

 

[Spikey]

Lol Dan strikes again

 

[TheJediBrah]

Lol stupid selection IMO

while I don't mind Cartwright, there's no way he should be picked ahead of Forkers or Stoinis

 

[GirtBySea]

Purely playing devils advocate here, but did Wade have any other notable blunders as keeper in Brisbane? or the previous test?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a matter of confirmation bias, ie. Wade is known as being a bad keeper so if he makes a mistake everyone jumps all over it as proof that they're right that he's a bad keeper. Nevill has definitely also made several similar big errors (missed stumpings) in the last year but I wonder if they don't get noticed as much because of his reputation as a more solid keeper.

Food for thought.



ps. since I know many posters here have an issue with reading comprehension, I'll spell it out, and reiterate that I'm not saying that I think Wade is a better keeper than Nevill

I must be as blind as Wade in the lights then because I didn't see any missed chances when he went through those 600 FC deliveries where Nevill missed any chances off Lyon.
Wade is not on the same level as Nevill in keeping and he hasn't backed it up with the bat. He misses way too many chances against spin bowlers (and pacemen too), but his major weakness in the former part will be costly in India.

 

[Spikey]

well he missed a stumping, and he also very likely dropped a catch in the overs before starc got the crucial wicket

 

[vic_orthdox]

Nevill the far better keeper, but was hardly flawless in his time with the gloves - a bit disappointing compared to what I'd known from him.

 

[GirtBySea]

well he missed a stumping, and he also very likely dropped a catch in the overs before starc got the crucial wicket

You're referring to Wade? Go and tell the one who matters then.