Chris Cairns' Perjury Trial

[Athlai]

How come no action has been taken against McCullum fornot reporting the approach for three years? I understand they wouldn't want to ban him for a year which is the minimum punishment for that but atleast a slap in the wrist was warranted.

To encourage others to report approaches and keep treating Baz as an anti-corruption golden boy.

 

[fredfertang]

@Fred

How is this trial being allowed. He is effectively being trialed twice for the same crime.

first case was a civil one, so the double jeopardy rule doesn't apply

 

[91Jmay]

As a witness you mean? He opened a few times for Australia in the late 90s. Re the trial he played for the Chandigar Lions under Cairns. Scored 30 something in the game I showed links to.

No as being bent, Vincent 'suspected him' of it.

 

[jcas0167]

@Fred

How is this trial being allowed. He is effectively being trialed twice for the same crime.

The first trial was Cairns suing Modi for libel. Cairns gave evidence he had never cheated. Now the Crown consider there is evidence to suggest Cairns might have committed perjury, a criminal offence. That's the charge Cairns is defending in this trial. His friend Fitch-Holland is also on trial for attempting to pervert the course of justice by allegedly asking Vincent to make a false statement for the libel case. Fitch-Holland also gave evidence in the libel case that Cairns phoned & told him he had been dismissed from his ICL team for not disclosing an injury (as opposed to fixing). I think that is also being questioned.

A similar legal scenario occurred involving the novelist Jeffrey Archer. Successfully sued a newspaper for libel only to later be charged & convicted of perjury. He was sentenced to 4 years in prison. Apparently his prison diaries are an excellent read.

 

[_Ed_]

It's been interesting hearing Simon Doull on the radio while driving to work in the mornings. He's been suggesting that he knows something that he's (understandably) not allowed to talk about while the case is in progress.

 

[jcas0167]

It's been interesting hearing Simon Doull on the radio while driving to work in the mornings. He's been suggesting that he knows something that he's (understandably) not allowed to talk about while the case is in progress.

Intriguing. Doull fought against Cairns in a charity boxing fight just after it was revealed Cairns & Vincent were under investigation by the ICC.

 

[Dan]

I can't help but think there's *a lot* that isn't being said.

 

[SteveNZ]

It's been interesting hearing Simon Doull on the radio while driving to work in the mornings. He's been suggesting that he knows something that he's (understandably) not allowed to talk about while the case is in progress.

The rumours that this stuff was going on started circulating right after the 08 ICL, so it's no surprise Doull knows something given how connected he is to the national side and the fact that Mills, McCullum, Bond etc have all been called on to testify.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Punter confirmed that McCullum received a phone call from "Cairnsy" about "business proposition".

 

[Daemon]

This is all fine but I really want to hear what the defence is cooking up to discredit these witnesses, especially McCullum and Vincent

 

[hendrix]

This is all fine but I really want to hear what the defence is cooking up to discredit these witnesses, especially McCullum and Vincent

they're saying David White (NZC CEO) has colluded with the ICC to ensure McCullum was not banned for the 2015 WC...which in no way defends Cairns...just weird conspiracy theories. Think they're better off attacking the Lalit Modi-McCullum (ostensible) friendship and cast some semi-racist aspersions about the murkiness of ICL-IPL relations.

This being a perjury trial though it doesn't actually matter even if McCullum (or any of the other players) was also dirty. Doesn't change the evidence. Of course given that Vincent has been caught there is some motive for him to partially salvage his destroyed reputation. But since neither McCullum nor any other one of the witnesses has a tarnished name, even calling them cheats doesn't change their evidence.

 

[fredfertang]

Sounds like one of those trials where the defence are just going to have to try and muddy the waters sufficiently to create some doubt in the juries mind - I suspect the best they'll manage is leave them thinking Cairns and his lawyer are probably guilty, but not for sure, in which case they will have done enough

 

[Pratters]

Yeah the way they went about talking with Ponting made me think the same.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

The lawyer representing Cairns doing cross examinations with the witnesses but not sure if these are sufficient to create doubt,

Defence against Vincent

Lou Vincent is sacrificing perjury accused cricketer Chris Cairns in a bid to save his own skin and market a book, Southwark Crown Court has been told. The comment was made on Wednesday (NZT Thursday) by lawyer Orlando Pownall, QC, as Vincent went under cross examination on his third day giving evidence as the opening witness in the trial of the former world class all-rounder.

"I'm doing it for the greater good of the game," former Black Caps batsman Vincent said.

Pownall, however, had a different take on Vincent's motives.

"You're doing what you're doing for the greater good of Lou Vincent," the lawyer said.

Pownall told the court Vincent knew cricket's anti-corruption unit (ACSU) were closing in on him, after players had reported him for match fixing approaches.

Defence against McCullum

Pownall told McCullum his memory had appeared to improve over time, and the hotel incident was "really nothing, but it has become something in your mind it should never have become".

He portrayed McCullum as a successful businessman and sportsman, with a reputation to protect.

He listed his various business interests; cricket, buying and selling race horses, and exporting wine and meat to India, saying his ambition was to protect "Brand McCullum".

Coming forward to report Cairns to the anti-corruption unit was part of that, he suggested.

If McCullum was so shocked and disgusted by the spot fixing approach, why had he attended charity events organised by Cairns since, and played golf with him?

Pownall pointed out the names of Vincent and Daryl Tuffey never appeared until McCullum's third report, in February 2014 to the police, yet he had played international cricket in the same Black Caps team as Tuffey in 2009, under the captaincy of Daniel Vettori, without speaking out.

Lou Vincent sacrificing Chris Cairns to save himself, lawyer tells court | Cricket | Stuff.co.nz

Chris Cairns trial: McCullum stands his ground in witness box | Cricket | Stuff.co.nz

 

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Now that morning radio show is just teasing us. Apparently Darren Gough had an "extremely interesting" story about an encounter with Cairns in Dubai.

 

[straw man]

Yeah there's a distinct lack of new information coming out while lots of 'someone knows something' rumours going round. Forget the trial, c'mon people, spill the beans.

 

[aussie]

Chris Cairns left me 'shocked and angry' - Daniel Vettori | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[SteveNZ]

Now that morning radio show is just teasing us. Apparently Darren Gough had an "extremely interesting" story about an encounter with Cairns in Dubai.

All that is, is people's egos wanting the public to know that they're big shots who are in the know. I have no doubt that happened, but it's pointless to discuss it in such little detail.

 

[Furball]

Is McCullum at any risk for not reporting Cairns?

Does anyone have an answer for this btw?

 

[Athlai]

Does anyone have an answer for this btw?

He isn't, when it came out originally, it was mentioned to the effect that he saw the error of his ways not speaking up sooner and they wouldn't look to slap him on the wrist.

ICC also sat on the info for years.