Chris Cairns' Perjury Trial

[aussie]

IIRC, the ICL was a legitimate competitor to the IPL (might even have preceded it) at the time and bad blood between Cairns and Modi literally stemmed from corporate rivalries (btw, let's not forget that the latter is allegedly a dodgy ****er who is living in exile)

In any event, the IPL is still a bastard son of the BCCI and barely tolerated by the ICC to this day so let's not pretend that it is the bastion of good governance

Indeed about IPL, but at least in the cricket weird administrative world IPL was sanctioned by ICC, went to MCC for approval etc. ICL was essentially rebel league created by businessmen - under a strong ICC it would have never existed, because those rich ZEE TV men would have known it would caused them & players to be banned for life (some players did get some bans ATT)

To use football for example, a ICL like league would be like if those rich Arabian oil who owns Manchester City, New York FC in MLS or PSG decided to create their own league in Dubai, tempt all the major soccer stars with wages 10 times more that what they earn at clubs & they all went. They would never do such a things because FIFA would ban them so fast.

So they use their money influence via legitimate means by buying clubs in sanctioned leagues worldwide.

 

[hendrix]

The ICL was essentially a response to the BCCI's monopoly control of the sale of cricket in India. I'm having a hard time criticising the idea for it.
The BCCI's response of banning the players was probably illegal under anti-competition laws.

Even from a sporting perspective - without taking into account economic legislation - the BCCI's moves in the wake of the creation of the ICL were undeniably bad for the game, were self-serving and monopolistic.

 

[hendrix]

Indeed about IPL, but at least in the cricket weird administrative world IPL was sanctioned by ICC, went to MCC for approval etc. ICL was essentially rebel league created by businessmen - under a strong ICC it would have never existed, because those rich ZEE TV men would have known it would caused them & players to be banned for life (some players did get some bans ATT)

To use football for example, a ICL like league would be like if those rich Arabian oil who owns Manchester City, New York FC in MLS or PSG decided to create their own league in Dubai, tempt all the major soccer stars with wages 10 times more that what they earn at clubs & they all went. They would never do such a things because FIFA would ban them so fast.

So they use their money influence via legitimate means by buying clubs in sanctioned leagues worldwide.

this is not what happened at all.

The ICL was invented before the IPL. It was created in a part of the calendar that would largely be free of international cricket. Players were asked to get permission from their home boards before they signed.

The only reason it was unsanctioned was because the BCCI wanted the profits.

They created the IPL a year after the ICL, and flexed their muscles at the ICC to ban all the players involved in the ICL so that it wouldn't be successful.

 

[hendrix]

Also, it was not in the interests of the ICL for match fixing to occur in the tournament, as it destroys the credibility of the league. The owners of the franchise that Cairns played for allegedly fired him because of this.

That was what Modi's tweets were about, btw.

 

[aussie]

this is not what happened at all.

The ICL was invented before the IPL. It was created in a part of the calendar that would largely be free of international cricket. Players were asked to get permission from their home boards before they signed.

The only reason it was unsanctioned was because the BCCI wanted the profits.

They created the IPL a year after the ICL, and flexed their muscles at the ICC to ban all the players involved in the ICL so that it wouldn't be successful.

My post didn't question that ICL was created before IPL I'm well aware of that. Plus it wasn't created a year before IPL either, it started just after India won T20 W-Cup, so essentially they had jump of T20 league idea over BCCI/IPL.

ICL started because their owners ZEE TV, who formerly had broadcast rights to India games lost out to stars sports & ICL were bitter. Since ZEE TV owners "the Essel Group" which also owns Ten Sports (that has broadcast rights deals with all of non Big 3 nations) decided to create a T20 tournament.

It never had ICC authority & the bad vybz between BCCI meant they were ones that went to lame duck ICC who didn't know what was going on and manipulated them into banning ICL. This lead to the confusion of high profile non retired players who had no clear distinction between IPL/ICL at the time, other than they are new great avenues to make money - being banned stupidly and unfortunately like Bond, Razzaq, M Yousuf and some Bangladesh guys.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

To use football for example, a ICL like league would be like if those rich Arabian oil who owns Manchester City, New York FC in MLS or PSG decided to create their own league in Dubai, tempt all the major soccer stars with wages 10 times more that what they earn at clubs & they all went. They would never do such a things because FIFA would ban them so fast.

Yeah FIFA is the bastion of ethics all world sport governing bodies should aim for.

 

[aussie]

Yeah FIFA is the bastion of ethics all world sport governing bodies should aim for.

This is old misconception people like to use.

Once you compare how FIFA/ICC evolved from a administrative front since the 1970s from English central rule - cricket failed to become a proper governing body when Packer exposed its insular leadership, which is why BCCI financial rise became so dirty and now we have Big three takeover.

While when Joao Haevelange won the FIFA presidency from Stanley Rous - football became a proper governing body and a true global sport.

FIFA executive corruption issues with leaders such as Blatter, Platini, Valcke, Ricardo Tixieria, Chuch Blazer, Jeff Web, Jack Warner, Bin Haman, Nicholas Leox over the years - is not related to great work the development & administrative committee FIFA have done in last 40 years.

Those leaders have corrupted things outside of those committee's range such as buying votes/bribes for presidency election, manipulating TV rights, world cup hosts voting bribes, ticket scandals for personal benefit

Buy Andrew Jennings books to learn more:

- http://www.amazon.com/Foul-Secret-Bribes-Rigging-Scandals/dp/0007208693/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446077087&sr=1-3&keywords=andrew+jennings

- http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Game-Uncovering-Scandal-FIFA-ebook/dp/B0141TWLZM/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1446077087&sr=1-1&keywords=andrew+jennings

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

 

[marc71178]

Great defence there, providing further evidence about the long standing corruption and lack of ethics in FIFA.

 

[cnerd123]

 

[aussie]

Great defence there, providing further evidence about the long standing corruption and lack of ethics in FIFA.

Right next you and the boys will tell me the FIFA goal project is steeped in corruption and lack of ethics & has been a disaster for world football & the FBI/USA department of justice should launch an immediately inquiry into this filthy project by the FIFA cronies !

 

[wellAlbidarned]

crap testimony. Harris not happy with the expression on Cairns' face after a victory.

I sometimes look reserved myself.

wait a second, weren't you the one analysing bowler's facial expressions as a deciding factor in their suitability as an international bowler?

:face:

 

[Hurricane]

wait a second, weren't you the one analysing bowler's facial expressions as a deciding factor in their suitability as an international bowler?

:face:

I know you are just bantering with me but I am going to give you a serious answer.

I wouldn't dream in a million years of being a character witness at someone's TRIAL and make allegations on the basis of facial expressions. I am prepared to draw conclusions about people based on facial expressions in my personal life - but testifying against someone is serious business and you had better have something decent to say.
In the article Harris mentioned uncanny events in the match - so perhaps the article did him a disservice by focussing on the ridiculous aspects of his assertions - I think uncanny events might be worth bringing up. But these were glossed over instead we heard that the discussion of his reaction to the win was a point of much discussion.

Even if he was accussed of murder - I would not be interested in the testimony of his wife if she claimed he came home with a surly look upon his countenance.

If he made suspicious comments after the game then lets hear about those. The article paints Harris at best as a Gossip, and at worst as vindictive and a kick a man when he is down merchant.

Again I emphasise that is way the article is written and not how Harris actually may have behaved.

 

[Athlai]

Or Harris as a teammate who has played with Cairns many many times and remembers this match as being specifically unusual.

 

[_Ed_]

Sounds like things got a bit more interesting today.
Chris Cairns trial: Former Black Cap testy under cross-examination | Stuff.co.nz

 

[hendrix]

After hearing something on the radio, I reckon he's going to get away with this. The key point is that this is a perjury trial. We're arguing his statement that "I have never cheated at cricket". Therefore, they have to prove that he cheated, not that he talked about cheating. Ellie Riley and McCullum's testimony is pretty convincing, but it doesn't prove that he cheated, just that he talked about it. Vincent's testimony does, but he's easily written off as corrupt and has motive to lie.

Moreover, apparently in a perjury trial you need at least 2 credible witnesses. I'm seeing only McCullum in that regards, as Riley's evidence came on a night of boozing.

Everyone else is just hearsay.

 

[jcas0167]

After hearing something on the radio, I reckon he's going to get away with this. The key point is that this is a perjury trial. We're arguing his statement that "I have never cheated at cricket". Therefore, they have to prove that he cheated, not that he talked about cheating. Ellie Riley and McCullum's testimony is pretty convincing, but it doesn't prove that he cheated, just that he talked about it. Vincent's testimony does, but he's easily written off as corrupt and has motive to lie.

Moreover, apparently in a perjury trial you need at least 2 credible witnesses. I'm seeing only McCullum in that regards, as Riley's evidence came on a night of boozing.

Everyone else is just hearsay.

A crown prosecutor suggested to me a week or so ago that he thinks Cairns will be acquitted, but Fitch-Holland will be found guilty.

 

[Niall]

Found innocent.

Everybody was wrong supposedly.


Prosecution should be ashamed of themselves, how on earth can you lose that case?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Not gulty=/= innocent

 

[_Ed_]

Not surprising, but a bit disappointing.

Having said that, his reputation has taken a big hit through this process.