*Official* New Zealand in England 2015

[Cabinet96]

I don't know if it is really the board. It is just England being England.

I just view England as the players/squad though. I guess maybe you can not like how they play their cricket without hating the players individually I guess.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Don't see that one from Cook all that often. More like Gayle or Lara.

 

[Spark]

Wind throwing them out of whack? Not been good new ball spells, this

 

[LegionOfBrad]

I think that Craig over shows why 450 is enough. Certainly for our lefties.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

RE people disliking cook - He's a bland handsome rich kid who bores bowling attacks to death and has no sense of tactics. It's no so much that there's anything particularly dislikeable, it's more that there's nothing to like.

 

[Prince EWS]

Kind of one and the same, though. An England team in which Anderson, Broad, Cook and Bell aren't doing well is a pretty mediocre side.

Just because one causes the other doesn't really mean they're one and the same.

People wanting England to lose because they dislike Cook and want to see him suffer is different from people wanting Cook to fail because they dislike the England side and want to see them lose. This is an important distinction in answering Cabinet's question, because the answer could be "no-one" without his point actually being vindicated.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Craig was pretty good in that over. Boult, Southee have been disappointing. New ball wicket would've been so massive.

 

[LegionOfBrad]

Wind throwing them out of whack? Not been good new ball spells, this

Its not that windy yet. If they're struggling now tomorrow will be a nightmare for them.

 

[GIMH]

You're assuming that every reason that someone dislikes someone else is rational and logical, which is weird

No, I'm countering the reasons you and OS have given as to why he is/should be disliked, because they are poor.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Craig looking good for Motm. I hope.

 

[ajdude]

Gotta wonder if Lyth is the Gayle of test cricket. Thoughts ajdude?

gotta wonder if spikey is a gigantic ****. thoughts spikey?

 

[Cabinet96]

RE people disliking cook - He's a bland handsome rich kid who bores bowling attacks to death and has no sense of tactics. It's no so much that there's anything particularly dislikeable, it's more that there's nothing to like.

This is overstated (what Spark was saying about Giles Clarke). He was only privately educated because he got a scholarship. He's also one of the most successful English sportsmen of modern times, yet lives on a farm.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Glad they wasted the new ball. At least we got through to lunch unscathed.

 

[LegionOfBrad]

Ok so 423 in 5 sessions it is.

 

[Pothas]

That was pretty good.

 

[Prince EWS]

I just view England as the players/squad though. I guess maybe you can not like how they play their cricket without hating the players individually I guess.

Yeah this is basically what I was getting at. The board is part of it but I think people dislike England due to the character of the side as a whole rather than any particular player. I think sometimes Cook basically wears this personally in the eyes of some and gets disliked due to it, but it's basically a "Team England" gripe rather than a "Player A, Player B, Player X and Player Z" gripe.

I see cricket in a very similar way to you so this isn't something I really feel, but I think anti-England sentiment comes from that: dislike of the structure and character of the team as a whole rather than individual players.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

RE people disliking cook - He's a bland handsome rich kid who bores bowling attacks to death and has no sense of tactics. It's no so much that there's anything particularly dislikeable, it's more that there's nothing to like.

He gets a lot of runs. 27 tons. I'd prefer him to overtake Tendulkar. Indian fan idolisaton of Sachin is nauseating. Commentators are worse, though. They know where their bread is buttered. Give me Lara, Sangakarra, Ponting, Kallis and many more over Sachin's overrated test career.

 

[OverratedSanity]

He gets a lot of runs. 27 tons. I'd prefer him to overtake Tendulkar. Indian idolisaton of Sachin is nauseating. Give me Lara, Sangakarra, Ponting, Kallis and many more over Sachin's overrated test career.

I hope weldone sees this

 

[Pothas]

Have people not just always wanted to England to lose? Obviously it is a bit different to hate in the social media age but I think wanting to see England lose is nothing new.

 

[LegionOfBrad]

On the declaration.

If they'd have gone on until lunch it would have been 500 in 5 sessions. So not even an outside chance for a win.

Its now 423 in 5 sessions. Which they'll get if they don't get out. You win some you lose some. I doubt BmC was thinking they'd bowl as bad as that.