***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14

[KiWiNiNjA]

Komodo Dragons are known to be pessimistic ****s!

 

[jcas0167]

Yeah Elliott was terrible 2008/2009. Was only a vital cog.

Quite. That hundred at the MCG was superb. He struggles on the sub-continent, but for Oz, SA or even NZ pitches I think he's a pretty good back up option.

 

[Blocky]

It's my birthday today - the only two gifts I want are a Ryder century and Matt Henry to not absolutely suck at this level.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

It's my birthday today - the only two gifts I want are a Ryder century and Matt Henry to not absolutely suck at this level.

Happy birthday mate, we'll try to avoid telling guptill he's not invited

No reason why Henry won't make it (apart from injury ofc). He's shown us all the tools and there's nothing gimmicky about him. Tall, brisk, accurate, gets movement.

 

[jcas0167]

Happy birthday mate, we'll try to avoid telling guptill he's not invited

No reason why Henry won't make it (apart from injury ofc). He's shown us all the tools and there's nothing gimmicky about him. Tall, brisk, accurate, gets movement.

Is Henry going to play though?

 

[Blocky]

Is Henry going to play though?

More than likely.

 

[Flem274*]

Regardless of how he goes today Matt Henry is the real deal imo. He has been since day one of his pro career.

 

[Blocky]

Regardless of how he goes today Matt Henry is the real deal imo. He has been since day one of his pro career.

His NZ A stats don't indicate that yet, which is why I hope he had off days and has progressively gotten better.

 

[Flem274*]

It was his first go in the subcontinent. I'm willing to forgive struggling on your first tour there if you've shown you have it in more familliar conditions.

 

[straw man]

Elliot has "proved you wrong" in the same way that Franklin occasionally proves everyone wrong. He inexplicably scores runs when everyone else has failed - usually against ****ty attacks, yet never really puts us into winning positions. There's a big difference between saving NZ's face in a collapse, and actually building an innings to launch from. There's virtually no decision making you have to do in the former. The role is clear. You're not going to pick apart bowlers or put pressure on the opposition captain or lift the run rate at certain stages the way that real numbers 3 and 4 do.

The blueprint is that we have Taylor and Williamson to build us through the middle overs, but the only person in NZ even slightly capable of doing that job to the degree that they do it is Watling. There's literally no point in batting the way they bat if you can't do it as well as they do.

Asking Elliot to perform that role is asking way too much of him. He's nowhere near that good. If Taylor or Williamson go down, we have to completely re-think the game plan. If Elliot tried to do what they did he'd fail miserably and put pressure on the other guy.

Think this is way too harsh. Yeah Elliott's not All That, but contrary to your first point Elliott (unlike say, Franklin outside the subcontinent) does score runs against good attacks and in live match situations. The inexplicability is more that he looks like a batsman some days and then other days is absolutely woeful, and this can be seen whether he's scoring ODI runs for NZ against Dale Steyn or almost getting dropped by Wellington for repeatedly failing against domestic bowlers. Since his 2013 recall he has:

1, 48 and 54 against South Africa (all live match situations)
22, 23, 24, 27 against England ('doing a Ryder')
71, 14, 3, 7, 4 in Bangladesh and that pointless tour of Sri Lanka. The 71 he built while the match was live but was last man out as the rest of the team collapsed around him.

Overall not great, but not terrible if you view the string of subcontinent failures as irrelevant to the World Cup in NZ/Aus.

In conclusion, this is far too many words to justify Elliott as my third reserve ODI top-4 batsman for the World Cup.

 

[Bahnz]

Regardless of how he goes today Matt Henry is the real deal imo. He has been since day one of his pro career.

Henry is interesting but I really don't think he's 'the real deal' at least not yet. Still hope he gets a bowl today.

 

[Blocky]

If Elliott was given the chances Guptill gets based on his performances, he'd have played 80 games by now too.

 

[Roundone]

From the news i hear it will be a mcclenaghan, mills, henry lineup bowling no corey, southee or bennet

 

[Blocky]

From the news i hear it will be a mcclenaghan, mills, henry lineup bowling no corey, southee or bennet

I'd heard that Mills, Henry and Anderson were all likely players, McCleneghan and Bennett were toss ups and Southee would not play.

 

[hendrix]

From the news i hear it will be a mcclenaghan, mills, henry lineup bowling no corey, southee or bennet

This might mean that Bennett is a test prospect, pending the pitch.

 

[straw man]

From the news i hear it will be a mcclenaghan, mills, henry lineup bowling no corey, southee or bennet

Happy with that. No harm leaving Southee and Anderson out prior to the tests, while McClenaghan back in for Bennett is a like for like replacement.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

I heard....... it through the grape vine

not much longer would you be mine.

 

[_Ed_]

Happy with that. No harm leaving Southee and Anderson out prior to the tests, while McClenaghan back in for Bennett is a like for like replacement.

Wouldn't mind another look at Bennett, though. Inconclusive so far - terrific at Eden Park; much less so at Hamilton.

We pretty much know what Mitch brings to the table.

 

[straw man]

Wouldn't mind another look at Bennett, though. Inconclusive so far - terrific at Eden Park; much less so at Hamilton.

Agree but WE WANT HENRY. And Henry plus Bennett plus probably Neesham is perhaps too experimental even for a dead rubber.

Prob taking a softly-softly approach with Bennett's fitness anyway.

 

[RxGM]

Radio says
Anderson in for Neesh
Henry in for Southee
Mitch in for Bennett

and Dhawan is back