***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14

[jcas0167]

Except all three "had it" to begin with. Fulton doesn't.

In which case his age isn't the issue Although granted it doesn't help his chances. I didn't realise it was 5 years since Fulton last featured in an ODI. His record is better than I thought. I guess Jamie How was the back up at the previous World Cup. I think the ranking is something like this:

Guptill
Ryder
Latham
Devcich
Rutherford
Nicol
Kitchen
Redmond
Fulton
How
Flynn
Papps

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Rutherford would be in the frame as a Ryder replacement too?

Hell no.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Except all three "had it" to begin with. Fulton doesn't.

Fulton's ODI average in New Zealand - 46.73
All-round records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Fulton's World Cup average - 37.12
All-round records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo


World Cup in NZ... ?

 

[Mike5181]

If you want Peter Fulton and Daniel Flynn in your world cup plans, that's your call I guess. I'm quite happy with BJ Watling and Tom Latham.

 

[hendrix]

I wouldn't take either of them ahead of Latham or Watling, that's a given.

But I would take them ahead of Elliot, Devcich and Rutherford, who each seem to be next in line.

 

[Prince EWS]

Nah Elliott's a much better one day player than Fulton and Flynn.

Fulton was block or bash at the best of times, even when he was having some vague ODI success, and he's now much more that sort of player in general. All his ODI contributions essentially came in situations where he was given a license to target the fence. He's really not cut out for it anymore if he ever was.

Flynn's even worse at one day cricket; hasn't managed to average 35 in a List A season since 2007-08 and has a truly awful international record in the format. Like Fulton, a poor rotator of the strike, but also someone who has struggled to put bad balls away with regularity in international cricket.

Elliott's really under-rated as a one day cricketer. He's a very "old school" one day player in that he's a middle overs nurdler with the bat and an innocuous even if accurate medium pacer with the ball, two roles that have become phased out to some extent, but he's really good at what he does. I've written him off as a player a few times and he keeps coming back and proving me wrong. I think Watling can cover this role better than Elliott now and Watling also offers a genuine keeping option so I'd not pick Elliott in my World Cup squad, but I'd certainly pick him before I picked Fulton or Flynn. I really think the latter two would struggle to make my New Zealand Third XI in one day cricket; being better than Devcich and Rutherford doesn't say all that much regardless of what the selectors think.

 

[NZTailender]

In which case his age isn't the issue Although granted it doesn't help his chances. I didn't realise it was 5 years since Fulton last featured in an ODI. His record is better than I thought. I guess Jamie How was the back up at the previous World Cup. I think the ranking is something like this:

Guptill
Ryder
Latham
Devcich
Rutherford
Nicol
Kitchen
Redmond
Fulton
How
Flynn
Papps

Are you talking about five years ago? Or now? For mine it'd be


Watling
Latham
Elliott
Papps
How
Kitchen
de Boorder
Broom
Flynn
Fulton
Devcich
Rutherford
Nicol

Added some worthy names. Removed currently playing.

 

[Flem274*]

All his ODI contributions essentially came in situations where he was given a license to target the fence.

I agree with the rest of the post but this is wrong. He was a consistent contributor in 2006/2007 at any time and batting in any position.

 

[Kippax]

He was also wrong about Fulton's Ford Trophy average I think.

 

[Prince EWS]

I agree with the rest of the post but this is wrong. He was a consistent contributor in 2006/2007 at any time and batting in any position.

My memory of Fulton ODI contributions was in games like this where he basically come in and targeted short boundaries. I think he was largely too slow when he tried to bat "properly" due to his inability to rotate the strike, and if anything he's now much more like that as a player than he was then.

 

[jcas0167]

Are you talking about five years ago? Or now? .

Now. Also, that wasn't my list - that was how I think the selectors have the openers ranked.

I see I left out Broom. He would probably be running close with Devcich.

Elliott's really under-rated as a one day cricketer.

Agree with this - he's particularly good on bouncier tracks (see performances in South Africa & Australia). Seems quite a smart player.

 

[Prince EWS]

He was also wrong about Fulton's Ford Trophy average I think.

Actually yeah I was; I went and looked at this and immediately checked the second most recent season, not accounting for the fact that this season wouldn't be listed as he hasn't played any games.

Still, it's not exactly a pretty looking recent record in a pretty high scoring competition.

 

[Flem274*]

My memory of Fulton ODI contributions was in games like this where he basically come in and targeted short boundaries. I think he was largely too slow when he tried to bat "properly" due to his inability to rotate the strike, and if anything he's now much more like that as a player than he was then.

I knew that would be your exact example. An anomaly imo. In the Commonwealth Bank Series and in the world cup (where he played as a make shift opener) he was a good anchor. Only struck at around 70-75 but he made consistent contributions. The secret was he was much better at rotating the strike. Never great or really all that good at it, but good enough to make his contributions valuable without screwing over the team.

 

[hendrix]

Elliot has "proved you wrong" in the same way that Franklin occasionally proves everyone wrong. He inexplicably scores runs when everyone else has failed - usually against ****ty attacks, yet never really puts us into winning positions. There's a big difference between saving NZ's face in a collapse, and actually building an innings to launch from. There's virtually no decision making you have to do in the former. The role is clear. You're not going to pick apart bowlers or put pressure on the opposition captain or lift the run rate at certain stages the way that real numbers 3 and 4 do.

The blueprint is that we have Taylor and Williamson to build us through the middle overs, but the only person in NZ even slightly capable of doing that job to the degree that they do it is Watling. There's literally no point in batting the way they bat if you can't do it as well as they do.

Asking Elliot to perform that role is asking way too much of him. He's nowhere near that good. If Taylor or Williamson go down, we have to completely re-think the game plan. If Elliot tried to do what they did he'd fail miserably and put pressure on the other guy.

 

[Flem274*]

Yeah Elliott was terrible 2008/2009. Was only a vital cog.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Just saw that Dhoni said the pacers weren't using their brains. I hate this man, absolutely loathe him. When Ishant was in the team and bowled one of the worst, and most utterly brainless death overs I've ever seen and lost the match single handedly, he came out and said Ishant shouldn't be judged on one or two bad matches. Now when Ishant is finally gone he seems to have no patience anymore? Wtf! I seriously think someone should check their background and make sure they're not related. My bet's on Ishant being his long lost brother who got none of his looks or talent and was given away by the parents.

 

[Prince EWS]

Just saw that Dhoni said the pacers weren't using their brains. I hate this man, absolutely loathe him. When Ishant was in the team and bowled one of the worst, and most utterly brainless death overs I've ever seen and lost the match single handedly, he came out and said Ishant shouldn't be judged on one or two bad matches. Now when Ishant is finally gone he seems to have no patience anymore? Wtf! I seriously think someone should check their background and make sure they're not related. My bet's on Ishant being his long lost brother who got none of his looks or talent and was given away by the parents.

Yeah I said the same thing earlier:

Press Conference : New Zealand v India, 4th ODI, Hamilton | 'We don't have our fast bowlers set for the World Cup' - Dhoni | Cricket videos, MP3, podcasts, cricket audio | ESPN Cricinfo

Spot on from Dhoni imo. Pretty honest.

It might just be me but it always seems like he makes scathing, honest and truthful comments about the standard of your bowling when Ishant isn't playing, but then when Ishant is playing he makes comments about the fans and selectors needing to have faith in a settled side and back individuals.

 

[ganeshran]

Whatever the result of the last match, India's chances at the 2015 WC look truly bleak.

 

[smash84]

Just saw that Dhoni said the pacers weren't using their brains. I hate this man, absolutely loathe him. When Ishant was in the team and bowled one of the worst, and most utterly brainless death overs I've ever seen and lost the match single handedly, he came out and said Ishant shouldn't be judged on one or two bad matches. Now when Ishant is finally gone he seems to have no patience anymore? Wtf! I seriously think someone should check their background and make sure they're not related. My bet's on Ishant being his long lost brother who got none of his looks or talent and was given away by the parents.

Yeah, Dhoni's unhealthy obsession with Ishant is mind boggling

 

[Flem274*]

"It would be lovely. When we set out for this series, just a win would have been fantastic, but the way we have played in this series, to be as consistent as we have been, 4-0 will be a fantastic result."
Nathan McCullum says New Zealand have eyes set on extending India's winless streak

FMD aiming high aren't we?

Stop being little 70s New Zealand ****s. You have the players to be better than that.