Tom Halsey
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I'd be incredibly surprised if Martinez replaces him again.
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*Official* English Football Season 2013-14
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cpr
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Try quoting the whole sentance. I acknowledge by the rules its a red card and don't disagree, but am stating personally I feel that the rules are overly harsh on tackles. He's slid accross the front of the guy, OK he's caught him but he was not malicious, he was not overly reckless. There was no real power in it that could've broke a leg, just a guy sliding sideways and leaving a leg dangling (though rather high). Compare it to something like Shawcross on Ramsey where he's gone in with full force, legs swinging, or Evans on Holden where he's crunched in with all his body weight behind - this tackle never had the ferocity or the ability to do damage as they did. Also, if you don't want a cut shin, wear proper shin pads ffs.
And before you accuse me of Utd bias, I said the same thing about Lloris tackle on Young last week, stating I felt it wasn't even a penalty (though I never got round to expanding on it)
cpr
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Because not every studs up challenge is dangerous or reckless, just like not every foot on the floor challenge is safe. The tackle may be late, but the slide may still be controlled (ie not going clattering into the player), the foot may not always be high. There's many factors.
In this case, it wasn't particularly high (the mark was on the bottom of his shin, below his shinpad), it wasn't clattering through the player but mainly across the front of him. It wasn't malicious, it wasnt overly physical. Whilst the ref has applied the rules correctly (in fact he had a good game), I don't see why a booking and a 'calm down, you've only been on 5 minutes, reign it in lad' wouldn't have sufficed. Infact if that had happened in the first 5 minutes of the game I bet thats exactly what the ref would've done.
In this case, it wasn't particularly high (the mark was on the bottom of his shin, below his shinpad), it wasn't clattering through the player but mainly across the front of him. It wasn't malicious, it wasnt overly physical. Whilst the ref has applied the rules correctly (in fact he had a good game), I don't see why a booking and a 'calm down, you've only been on 5 minutes, reign it in lad' wouldn't have sufficed. Infact if that had happened in the first 5 minutes of the game I bet thats exactly what the ref would've done.
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In full agreement with CPR here; although I do think that Lloris on Young was a penalty.
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grecian
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Yeah agree with that, but in the end you can't feel sorry for players, they know the rules, studs-up and you're off. I reckon yellow would be fair when theres no real contact, but that's the game nowadays.
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I think it's delusional to believe that another CM will solve any of United's problems. Strangely they're competing fairly well in most games, but are terrible in the final third and their own box. It's like the weaknesses on paper are the complete opposite of what we're seeing on the pitch.
grecian
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No, you can't see it, that's why this bad "start" has been so detrimental to Man U. If they'd looked pretty good, everyone could have said business as usual, but now the fact he's got no real World Name, or credentials, makes you wonder if anyone will come. Of course there's the real chance they won't be playing Champion League football too.
You also wonder if someone like Wayne may want away, or even RVP, whilst the goings good.
cpr
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I think it would, the right creative player, someone who can pick a pass, work the ball to the strikers, would make the difference. The way I see the problem is we are getting to the final third, but then lacking any clue how to get the ball into the strikers. For all the intricacies of Kagawa, Cleverley and Valencia passing and moving on the edge of the box, none of them seem to be able to find the free man with the pass, so it goes sideways, back etc.
Today our best moments came when Fletcher picked a pass forward, or switched it wide to the free man (usually Buttner), it gave us those extra yards in the final third we've been starved of when the others tried and worked it in. Being able to spot these balls to play is why Giggs and Scholes were so important to us despite their age and lack of mobility (especially for Scholes)
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TBF Carrick can do that pretty well, despite his reputation.
There's a clear tactic of working the ball to the wings and getting early crosses in. It was Moyes's strategy at Everton and we noticeably started to do it a lot as soon as he took over. The midfield is limited, sure, but they're doing what they're told and doing an alright job of it. We're one of very few teams still playing with two strikers, so if we're still seeing a lot of the ball then you have to think the CMs must be doing a decent job, even if they don't contribute much further forward.
There's a clear tactic of working the ball to the wings and getting early crosses in. It was Moyes's strategy at Everton and we noticeably started to do it a lot as soon as he took over. The midfield is limited, sure, but they're doing what they're told and doing an alright job of it. We're one of very few teams still playing with two strikers, so if we're still seeing a lot of the ball then you have to think the CMs must be doing a decent job, even if they don't contribute much further forward.
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I just like the irony of the idea
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Not like they can outbid other teams on transfers and wages any more either.
Tom Halsey
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flibbertyjibber
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Fergie needs to take share of blame for that as well though. He was there long enough to have sorted it.
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Do you really think Giggs is a good player? let alone the best at United? Giggs still being a United player is symptomatic of the mire the Glazers have dragged us into. I thought Giggs should have left United after the 1999 cl win when it was clear he was not good enough on the truly big stage. As Roy Keane said recently "having a great career doesn't make you a great player" and incase you missed it he WAS talking about Giggs. Record the next United match Giggs plays in and analyse his performance at will. Do you know the story of the king in the wonderful suit of cloths? Well that is the story of Ryan Giggs. If the Glazers hadn't got their grubby hands on our club Giggs would be playing for Kidderminster Harriers or the like now and he'd still be s....