*Official* English Domestic Cricket 2012

[stumpski]

Tbf to Gloucs their target was so easy because they'd reduced Northants to 31-4, and surely very few would begrudge Surrey a bit of good fortune in what was after all a dead game. Quite an 'achievement' for Sky to pick the only match to be called off though. You'd think after the last few days they'd have been on safer ground with a southern fixture, but it was to no avail.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Tbf to Gloucs their target was so easy because they'd reduced Northants to 31-4, and surely very few would begrudge Surrey a bit of good fortune in what was after all a dead game. Quite an 'achievement' for Sky to pick the only match to be called off though. You'd think after the last few days they'd have been on safer ground with a southern fixture, but it was to no avail.

It shouldn't have been less than 5 an over easy. I don't know what D-L actually predicts, but you would expect Northants to still get 90 or so. A reasonable target would be 30-35 off 5 overs. 23 is ridiculous. Sussex were unbeaten up until they were D-L shafted, so it's a bit of a shame for them.

 

[Jacknife]

It shouldn't have been less than 5 an over easy. I don't know what D-L actually predicts, but you would expect Northants to still get 90 or so. A reasonable target would be 30-35 off 5 overs. 23 is ridiculous. Sussex were unbeaten up until they were D-L shafted, so it's a bit of a shame for them.

Surrey were set over 12 a over, a few years ago that would be unthinkable even with 10 wickets in hand, the games moved on and D/L for Twenty20 is outdated, time for a rethink.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Surrey were set over 12 a over, a few years ago that would be unthinkable even with 10 wickets in hand, the games moved on and D/L for Twenty20 is outdated, time for a rethink.

Yea I think most of us recognise that D-L is awful for low numbers of overs. It just doesn't reflect the acceleration and so on. The higher scoring these days itself isn't as big an issue. D-L is ridiculously flat for 20 overs cricket and lower. It completely stuffs over the team batting first in reduced chases. Sussex scored at 11.55 runs an over for 9 overs at the start of their innings and lost no wickets, thinking they were going to bat the full 20. Slurry had a revised chase which required 12.4 runs per over across 5 overs and probably included an over of fielding restrictions as well.

ICC's decision to reject a newer system recently was poor. There needs to be something that copes better with the shortest formats.

 

[Jacknife]

Just read that Michael DiVenuto has retired from all cricket with immediate effect.

 

[theegyptian]

Favourite time of year normally this next week and a half - Cheltenham cricket festival. Unfortunately who knows how much cricket is played this year.

Glos playing Essex tomorrow. Harbhajan meant to be making his debut for Essex.

 

[Jacknife]

Middlesex have been smashed by Adams in the first innings, all out 98, Strauss managed to get a a 50 though which is good to see from a England perspective.

 

[Woodster]

Middlesex have been smashed by Adams in the first innings, all out 98, Strauss managed to get a a 50 though which is good to see from a England perspective.

Yes looking at that scorecard, Strauss looks to have done very well to repel the Notts attack, probably helped by the fact he'd managed to face a few deliveries (40) before the introduction of Adams into the attack! But you would back Strauss to overcome even the sternest of challenges thrown up in county cricket.

A word on Adams though, he continues to excel in the CC, 46 wickets already this season including four five-fors, a hugely impressive performer.

 

[superkingdave]

Wow, Lancs in not getting out for under 250 shocker, rest of game sure to be rained off

 

[social]

Yes looking at that scorecard, Strauss looks to have done very well to repel the Notts attack, probably helped by the fact he'd managed to face a few deliveries (40) before the introduction of Adams into the attack! But you would back Strauss to overcome even the sternest of challenges thrown up in county cricket.

A word on Adams though, he continues to excel in the CC, 46 wickets already this season including four five-fors, a hugely impressive performer.[/QUOTE]

Really have to question the standard of CC - hardly a bad bowler but certainly not international standard

 

[Prince EWS]

Really have to question the standard of CC - hardly a bad bowler but certainly not international standard

How many First Class matches have you actually seen Adams play?

If you'd only seen Philander play one dayers you'd say the exact same thing. Many did in fact, for years.

 

[social]

How many First Class matches have you actually seen Adams play?

If you'd only seen Philander play one dayers you'd say the exact same thing. Many did in fact, for years.

Adams is hardly quick but bowls nice out-swing

Not a bad bowler but short of international standard

Generally regarded as a **** which hasnt helped his cause

Think I have seen enough

In other news, Phil Hughes continues to pile up runs in the CC

 

[Prince EWS]

Adams is hardly quick but bowls nice out-swing

Not a bad bowler but short of international standard

Generally regarded as a **** which hasnt helped his cause

Think I have seen enough

In other news, Phil Hughes continues to pile up runs in the CC

So your answer to my question is zero then. Thought as much.

 

[social]

So your answer to my question is zero then. Thought as much.[/QUOTE

Nice out swing

No great pace

****

Hughes scoring runs against this stuff when he couldnt average 30 in Oz

Stop being condescending and tell me where I'm wrong

 

[Neil Pickup]

Time to look at those two D/L revisions against the Jayadevan system:

Northants were so utterly buggered that VJD would also have set very little - 25 in 5 overs. Northants were 31/4 off 8.3 overs, having used 50% of their total resource (43% overs, 40% wickets). VJD tells us that the target runs in an 8.3 over chase is 56.1%, so Northants' effective 8.3 over score = 56.1/50 * 31 = 34.782. Gloucester have 5/8.3 = 10/17 = 58.8% of these overs remaining; this means they should be expected to score 71.3% of their effective target, so 0.713 * 34.782 = 25 to win. It'll be tough to argue any higher target with any logic that you can extrapolate to another score - teams are not usually 31/4 in 8.3 overs.

At 104/0 off 9 overs, however, Sussex have used 45% overs, losing 0% wickets, which the VJD table tells us is 36.3% of the final total. Target runs in a 9 over chase is 58.6%, giving an effective 9 over score of 58.6/36.3 * 104 = 167.89. Surrey have 5/9 = 55.5% of that chase; meaning they should be expected to score 68.5% of that total. 0.685 * 167.89 = 116 to win in five overs. If I can read, because it's bloody confusing and I've spent three days in a tent in Wales.

Draw your own conclusions...

S Bhogle on VJD
VJD Tables

 

[Prince EWS]

Nice out swing

No great pace

****

Hughes scoring runs against this stuff when he couldnt average 30 in Oz

Stop being condescending and tell me where I'm wrong

Adams is about five times the bowler in four-day cricket than he is one day cricket and you've only seen him play the latter; that's my point. It'd be like watching Michael Slater play ODIs exclusively and writing him off for Tests on that basis.

If you'd only seen Philander play one day cricket you'd be saying the exact thing about him, just as many did before he made his Test debut - "lacks pace", "dog track hero" etc etc. It was absolutely criminal that Adams never got more than one Test, particularly considering he was actually quite good in that one Test.

If you want a start a tirade against county cricket than go ahead, I cbf with that, but Adams is a poor example.

 

[social]

Adams is about five times the bowler in four-day cricket than he is one day cricket and you've only seen him play the latter; that's my point. It'd be like watching Michael Slater play ODIs exclusively and writing him off for Tests on that basis.

If you'd only seen Philander play one day cricket you'd be saying the exact thing about him, just as many did before he made his Test debut - "lacks pace", "dog track hero" etc etc. It was absolutely criminal that Adams never got more than one Test, particularly considering he was actually quite good in that one Test.

If you want a start a tirade against county cricket than go ahead, I cbf with that, but Adams is a poor example.

WTF are you talking about?

I have seen Adams play quite a lot because I used to spend heaps of time in Auckland with friends

 

[Woodster]

Adams has continued to improve as a bowler, he bowls at a lively enough pace with accuracy and help not just through the air, but off the pitch.

I do actually agree with PEWS in that he certainly should have received more than a single Test cap, though I don't remember typing anything about him being of an international standard in my opening post on this issue, was simply praising his fantastic effort for Notts ?

 

[Jacknife]

Adams has continued to improve as a bowler, he bowls at a lively enough pace with accuracy and help not just through the air, but off the pitch.

I do actually agree with PEWS in that he certainly should have received more than a single Test cap, though I don't remember typing anything about him being of an international standard in my opening post on this issue, was simply praising his fantastic effort for Notts ?

No you didn't but as per Social wants to have a go at England or the English County system.

 

[Woodster]

No you didn't but as per Social wants to have a go at England or the English County system.

Thought that seemed to be the angle he was taking,