**Official** West Indies in England 2012

[AndyZaltzHair]

 

[tooextracool]

To be honest losing a game when you make the opposition follow on is as embarrassing as it gets and that was long before 08/09.

All non Asian sides struggle at various times in Asia, some more than others. Most Asian sides struggle outside Asia. It is one reason why we love the game as no side dominates totally apart from truly great ones.

It's not really embarrassing that two of the greats of the game, scripted a once in a lifetime piece of magic that turned a game on its head. Moments of sheer brilliance are part of all sports, and just because Australia were at the receiving end, doesn't mean that they were embarrassed.

 

[grecian]

Australia of old would have got Ajmal reported for chucking and gotten mildly beaten instead. Then there's the way they intimated umpires as a given in each game and how no DRS would have meant very few of the lbws would have been out. I also think the extra 'allowance' for unorthodoxy (and controlled chucking) these days favours the sub-continent far more than it does the likes of Australia and England.

They never struck me as hinting, much to me, but I guess you with your great word power know better.

Anyway, ridiculous argument, we're not remotely in the League of those great sides of the past, yet.

Anyway another Cricinfo article heavily hints that Anderson and Broad will be rested. I really wouldn't mind Finn and Onions playing at Edgbaston, also if there's an injury to Prior which has been suggested wouldn't mind Bairstow being picked as WK, and them playing another bat.

 

[Jacknife]

Another article's popped up on crapinfo this time one by David Saker and when I saw the headline I thought, no he hasn't said that has he. The article's called 'Saker rates attack as good as great Australians', when you actually read it although I agree with a lot of what he says, please just keep away from the comparisons, it doesn't do us ay favors what so ever and only sets up for a fall. If he wants to praise the bowling attack do it, they deserve it they've been excellent for 2 or 3 years now but leave it at that.

 

[BoyBrumby]

They never struck me as hinting, much to me, but I guess you with your great word power know better.

Anyway, ridiculous argument, we're not remotely in the League of those great sides of the past, yet.

Anyway another Cricinfo article heavily hints that Anderson and Broad will be rested. I really wouldn't mind Finn and Onions playing at Edgbaston, also if there's an injury to Prior which has been suggested wouldn't mind Bairstow being picked as WK, and them playing another bat.

Be an acceptable fudge, actually.

Assuming Ravi's fit for Brum I imagine he'll have first dibs on #6.

TBH even if Matt plays I wouldn't object to someone other than Bairstow at six anyway. Kid is a talent, but to let with such an obvious weakness against the short ball play against a seam attack of the quality of SA's would be foolhardy in the extreme.

 

[Howe_zat]

Why is getting out to a good piece of short-pitched fast bowling so much worse than getting out to full-pitched swing bowling? Aren't they both cases of the bowler managing to carry out a plan properly?

It doesn't mean Bairstow has a weakness because it happened to him once. It was a very good piece of bowling.

 

[Viscount Tom]

If we are gonna be bringing in another batsamn at least make it Compton, the mans in serious formand has a really good technique.

 

[Jacknife]

Be an acceptable fudge, actually.

Assuming Ravi's fit for Brum I imagine he'll have first dibs on #6.

TBH even if Matt plays I wouldn't object to someone other than Bairstow at six anyway. Kid is a talent, but to let with such an obvious weakness against the short ball play against a seam attack of the quality of SA's would be foolhardy in the extreme.

I will say in defense of Bairstow that I've watched him many times for Yorkshire against loads of different kinds of fast bowlers, particularly last season and he's never looked to have any sort of problem against the short ball, funnily enough I'd say it was the opposite and it's been a productive shot of him. He does to tend to try to play the bouncer instead of ducking or swaying out of the way like other batsmen do. I think if he had a obvious short ball weakness I don't think he'd have got picked ahead of the others.

 

[grecian]

Could see if they did my idea Patel coming in, had a good season so far, and with our two best bowlers out, they'd want another bowling option IMHO

Yet it's all a big IF.

 

[Cabinet96]

Why is getting out to a good piece of short-pitched fast bowling so much worse than getting out to full-pitched swing bowling? Aren't they both cases of the bowler managing to carry out a plan properly?

It doesn't mean Bairstow has a weakness because it happened to him once. It was a very good piece of bowling.

Obviously there were a couple of good short balls by Roach, and anyone can get in a tangle against them. But it was the way he constantly didn't know whether to duck or play that made it look quite poor. You've probably got more of an idea on his ability against the short ball than me, so I won't get too far into it, but I can see why people are concerned.

 

[tooextracool]

Bairstow does look more technically sound than James Taylor from what I have seen. Lets just hope its nerves getting their better of him, this WI attack, unlike some of their predecessors, is no stroll in the park so scoring your first significant score in international cricket is definitely not easy.

 

[Furball]

Turfing Bairstow for the 3rd Test is stupid.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

If we are gonna be bringing in another batsamn at least make it Compton, the mans in serious formand has a really good technique.

If we do that lets ignore form and go for someone who as a serious chance of being a very good (and ideally long term) Test player.

Which, I suspect, is not Compton.

 

[Dan]

inb4 'Pick the best side for the next Test'.

 

[Dan]

Pick the best side for the next Test.

 

[Jacknife]

Sad news but Kemar Roach has been ruled out of the remainder of the West Indies’ tour, shin problems by the sounds of things.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Only real threat, next test should be a formality.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

Tino and Fidel to open the bowling in the next Test?

Could get very ugly, very quickly.

 

[Manee]

Surely Roach drops out and Fidel comes in. Or is there something I'm missing?

 

[grecian]

Only real threat, next test should be a formality.

Rampaul could be very dangerous at Edgbaston, but, yeah, won't be much problem with no-one to back him up.