***Official*** New Zealand in Australia 2011

[Flem274*]

Just seen the score. FML. Hate Haddin so much right now.

 

[TumTum]

Re: Cummins, the biggest problem I see with his action is his right arm coming through a bit past the vertical. Lee had the same thing at that age, though, and you can already see it happening a bit less so I'd say he'd work that particular bug out too. He really does slam on his front-foot, though. Will have to be managed well but he'll inevitably have leg injuries.

I watched them both just now and I think Cummins has a much more side-on bowling action. Also he makes much more use of his shoulders and there is a big rotation between his chest area and hips/legs (when he goes from side on to chest on during delivery). He also gets his left arm much higher on the follow through.

Do you think this is a more efficient action because he uses more of his body where Lee's is a bit more rapid and sudden (where he generates his pace)? So he might get less injuries? Or am I completely wrong...

 

[Flem274*]

Reading through the thread, there's a dropped catch off Bracewell every two pages, and I'm hearing Young was hit in the face?

Jesus Christ, the good fielders part of the cliche is the bit we need the most. Back up the young bowler you ****s, because he could have won you the game.

 

[Flem274*]

Why does cricket do this to me - by Doug Bracewell

I walked out
You caught me
You know I'm hurting for you
It seems now that it's over
But there is nothing I can do

I don't know
Why does cricket do this to me
I don't know
I don't know

Clarkie came, smashed away
Deep in the innings, I bowled him that day but
It seems I front foot no-balled
But I'm still thinking I got you out!

I don't know
Why does cricket do this to me
I don't know
I don't know

I bowled you
You know that
But when I see you sometimes
I'm cut up and I'm broken
There am I asking you how you're still in

Clarkie came, smashed away
Deep in the innings, he nicked on that day but
It seems Young dropped you
But I'm still thinking I got you out!

I don't know
Why does cricket do this to me
I don't know
I don't know
Yeah yeah yeah yeah....

This is the post of the day.

 

[Flem274*]

Dougeh is going to score 120* (80) tomorrow, dropped four times by Clarke along the way.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Anyway off to bed, hopefully Australia don't manage 400 or thereabouts and the game is still a contest when I wake up in a few hours time.

Ugh. Need a rare day of NZ batting without the lemming mentality to make this a good game again. I can't see an extravagant collapse happening against NZ's attack - so 300+ required.

 

[Top_Cat]

I watched them both just now and I think Cummins has a much more side-on bowling action. Also he makes much more use of his shoulders and there is a big rotation between his chest area and hips/legs (when he goes from side on to chest on during delivery). He also gets his left arm much higher on the follow through.

Do you think this is a more efficient action because he uses more of his body where Lee's is a bit more rapid and sudden (where he generates his pace)? So he might get less injuries? Or am I completely wrong...

It's hard to predict, I reckon. There are a few general principles which can lessen the chance of a career-ending injury but some ****s are strong enough to bowl with an action that would wreck someone else (Allan Donald, for example).

Pattinson's action looks great, very easy and he gets really good pace with it but he's the one with the massive injury history. He might be like Gillespie, though, who was ridiculously injury-prone from his late teens to mid-20's until he perfected his action and had years of virtually nothing going wrong.

Unrelated but, tell ya what, Pattinson/Cummins/Hazlewood/Lyon as a future attack, playing to potential, looks like it could be one hell of an attack. They're all still finding their way but geez.....

 

[uvelocity]

Ugh. Need a rare day of NZ batting without the lemming mentality to make this a good game again. I can't see an extravagant collapse happening against NZ's attack - so 300+ required.

Go back to bed. A good game will be if NZ manage to get enough runs to allow ussie and punter to whack ton's to get into/get back into form and win the game.

Had enough see-saws; want a pummeling tbh.

 

[TumTum]

Unrelated but, tell ya what, Pattinson/Cummins/Hazlewood/Lyon as a future attack, playing to potential, looks like it could be one hell of an attack. They're all still finding their way but geez.....

Yeah competition is strong and young.


Edit: Just back to Lee vs Cummins comparison; Lee's most wickets in an innings have been 5 taken from 150 innings, Cummins has 6 only after 2 innings.

 

[straw man]

This is the post of the day.

That was brilliant by Athlai - I must have missed that earlier.

This match is over as far as I'm concerned - wouldn't give us much more than a 1% chance of saving it. Based on performances from similar positions in previous matches I'd be surprised if we batted to tea tomorrow.

If we want to be positive about things I'd say Bracewell really impressed today. It was only his second test match and to bounce back and bowl that well after the towelling he received early on and the multiple non-dismissals of Clarke showed a mindset that is suited for international cricket. Perhaps this is why the selectors opted for him over a couple of other hopefuls.

As for the negatives, I don't have the time or inclination to type all these out. It can be summed up disappointingly as 'same old stupid mistakes'. By contrast Australia did not give anything away with the bat - NZ needs its senior batsmen to learn from the way Ponting and Clarke asserted themselves on the game and fought relentlessly.

 

[Furball]

I watched them both just now and I think Cummins has a much more side-on bowling action. Also he makes much more use of his shoulders and there is a big rotation between his chest area and hips/legs (when he goes from side on to chest on during delivery). He also gets his left arm much higher on the follow through.

Do you think this is a more efficient action because he uses more of his body where Lee's is a bit more rapid and sudden (where he generates his pace)? So he might get less injuries? Or am I completely wrong...

Probably.

 

[straw man]

Dougeh is going to score 120* (80) tomorrow, dropped four times by Clarke along the way.

I was tipping Dougeh to be the one to thwack a meaningless 50 when the game is already gone tbh. As he's nightwatchman now I guess Southee will have to do it

 

[Spikey]

probably.

:d

 

[Ruckus]

Probably.

I don't get your TumTum sig.

 

[Ruckus]

If we want to be positive about things I'd say Bracewell really impressed today. It was only his second test match and to bounce back and bowl that well after the towelling he received early on and the multiple non-dismissals of Clarke showed a mindset that is suited for international cricket. Perhaps this is why the selectors opted for him over a couple of other hopefuls.

Yar, one of the spells he bowled to Clarke was really great bowling, and very unlucky not to get his man. Why is Bracewell's FC average so poor btw? Small sample size, or just because he is somewhat inconsistent? Whatever the case he has a lot of positives to work with, and looks to be a good find for NZ.

 

[Flem274*]

That was brilliant by Athlai - I must have missed that earlier.

This match is over as far as I'm concerned - wouldn't give us much more than a 1% chance of saving it. Based on performances from similar positions in previous matches I'd be surprised if we batted to tea tomorrow.

If we want to be positive about things I'd say Bracewell really impressed today. It was only his second test match and to bounce back and bowl that well after the towelling he received early on and the multiple non-dismissals of Clarke showed a mindset that is suited for international cricket. Perhaps this is why the selectors opted for him over a couple of other hopefuls.

As for the negatives, I don't have the time or inclination to type all these out. It can be summed up disappointingly as 'same old stupid mistakes'. By contrast Australia did not give anything away with the bat - NZ needs its senior batsmen to learn from the way Ponting and Clarke asserted themselves on the game and fought relentlessly.

We're not dead and buried by any means, but if we go on to lose this test against what is essentially Australia A plus it's best middle order, it's a pretty sorry indictment of NZ cricket. On paper this side wipes the floor with the side we sent to England in 2008, but there has been very little improvement in terms of results. The issues are mostly mental too I bet-just a supreme lack of self belief when an opportunity presents itself. From Manchester 2008 to this series...just urgh. Then you read our usual media statements about "developing" and "doing everything well we can be competitive." Compare that to other sides who come out saying "We're here to win" etc etc.

South Africa are hard done by with their choker tag in recent years. This is a series we should not lose, but Australia have a very good chance. If we weren't portrayed as a bunch of club cricketers in the media, the choker tag would belong to us. We're essentially Bangladesh in terms of mentality. "What is this, an actual opportunity? Oh my God what do I do?!?!"

New Zealand make it extremely hard to remain optimistic. If we can't win in Australia against this side, we need the second coming of Hadlee to have a chance. I expected the four man attack to struggle, but 96/5, and that fielding....FMD.

No doubt I'll be back to my optimisitc one eyed best tomorrow, but atm I've got the Bahnz.

 

[Flem274*]

Yar, one of the spells he bowled to Clarke was really great bowling, and very unlucky not to get his man. Why is Bracewell's FC average so poor btw? Small sample size, or just because he is somewhat inconsistent? Whatever the case he has a lot of positives to work with, and looks to be a good find for NZ.

Started his career as a pretty terrible bowler apparently. Guys who saw him early on say he was bowling 120kph and not moving it a centimetre. If true, he's improved at lightning pace.

 

[Flem274*]

On the bright side, after Dougeh gets out hit wicket for his 120 tomorrow (he falls over laughing at the Australian bowling), I look forward to Williamson coming in and putting his first ball through the covers for four, before cruising past thirty from 25 deliveries. I'll be watching it so there will be no backing out will there tumtum?

 

[Uppercut]

We're not dead and buried by any means, but if we go on to lose this test against what is essentially Australia A plus it's best middle order, it's a pretty sorry indictment of NZ cricket. On paper this side wipes the floor with the side we sent to England in 2008, but there has been very little improvement in terms of results. The issues are mostly mental too I bet-just a supreme lack of self belief when an opportunity presents itself. From Manchester 2008 to this series...just urgh. Then you read our usual media statements about "developing" and "doing everything well we can be competitive." Compare that to other sides who come out saying "We're here to win" etc etc.

South Africa are hard done by with their choker tag in recent years. This is a series we should not lose, but Australia have a very good chance. If we weren't portrayed as a bunch of club cricketers in the media, the choker tag would belong to us. We're essentially Bangladesh in terms of mentality. "What is this, an actual opportunity? Oh my God what do I do?!?!"

New Zealand make it extremely hard to remain optimistic. If we can't win in Australia against this side, we need the second coming of Hadlee to have a chance. I expected the four man attack to struggle, but 96/5, and that fielding....FMD.

No doubt I'll be back to my optimisitc one eyed best tomorrow, but atm I've got the Bahnz.

Why do you think this is a series you should not lose? Away from home against a team that's better than New Zealand...

 

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Why do you think this is a series you should not lose? Away from home against a team that's better than New Zealand...

I wouldnt say that Australia are "better" on paper but Ponting is an ATG and the young guys have real talent so all it takes is for them to stand up