*Official* T20 and ODI matches

[Howe_zat]

After 17 failed attempts to edge one behind, Raina remembers what sort of player he is. Only way he's getting out of this is to smash his way out.

 

[Prince EWS]

People moan about pitches around the world favouring bowlers too much, we get a pitch that does something for the bowlers and people moan.

No winning if you're a groundsman is there?

Give me an ODI pitch where 250 is a par score but the opposition have to bat well to get there anyday. It's hardly England's fault if India aren't good enough to bat on such a surface.

Yeah the nature of ODIs makes it hard to strike a particularly riveting balance between bat and ball, so I've always felt the best ones were played on trickier pitches.

I've long maintained that the future of ODIs throughout the T20 era will not lie in making them more like T20s as they'll just become a poor imitation with no advantages - but in making them more like Tests. A format based around the contest between bat and ball that a Test gives you which you can attend in one day and see from start to finish would hold its place in the international calender. A format that bastardises itself into a longer version of T20 won't last.

 

[Cevno]

Isn't Oval supposed to be a more slower, turning track usually?

Ganguly saying that Surrey played 4 spinners in the Pro - 40 Final?

Interesting they left so much live grass on.

 

[MW1304]

Ok, didn't mean to 'moan'. Just asking the question.

I do hate it when people moan about pitches favouring bowlers (in Test Matches). I think a bowlers pitch is preferable in Test Matches, a batting pitch preferable in odis.

I'd prefer it if the contest between bat and ball was as even as possible in all formats but, naturally, batting will be favoured as the over limit reduces.

Why Dernback before Broad?

 

[Burgey]

It's still a white ball so it's not exactly hooping around, but there's enough there and England have bowled a proper line and length for it.

White ball swings more here early, than the red one. Itstl.

 

[Furball]

Ok, didn't mean to 'moan'. Just asking the question.

I do hate it when people moan about pitches favouring bowlers (in Test Matches). I think a bowlers pitch is preferable in Test Matches, a batting pitch preferable in odis.

The Oval is very much a batsman's pitch; India just need to see off the ball whilst it's moving and cash in later. We'll see how it plays when England get a bat on it but to me this looks like the sort of pitch that would be ideal for an ODI.

 

[NasserFan207]

Broad should be bowling

 

[hazsa19]

I don't see ODI's like that at all - its just like a separate sport. Like how I don't see the Six Nations as a build up to the World Cup, I see it as a competition in its own right, that's how I see an ODI series.

Fair enough. I also see the Six Nations as an important competition in its own right. I would compare the exertions of a Rugby Union Test Match to Test Cricket, rather than odi cricket.

 

[Furball]

Isn't Oval supposed to be a more slower, turning track usually?

Ganguly saying that Surrey played 4 spinners in the Pro - 40 Final?

Interesting they left so much live grass on.

No, the Oval is usually one of the quickest pitches in the country.

 

[Howe_zat]

Yeah the nature of ODIs makes it hard to strike a particularly riveting balance between bat and ball, so I've always felt the best ones were played on trickier pitches.

I've long maintained that the future of ODIs throughout the T20 era will not lie in making them more like T20s as they'll just be a poor imitation with no advantages - but in making them more like Tests. A format based around the contest between bat and ball that a Test gives you which you can attend in one day and see from start to finish would hold its place in the international calender. A format that bastardises itself into a longer version of T20 won't last.

True that. I seem to remember Gideon Haigh saying something similar.

 

[Prince EWS]

True that. I seem to remember Gideon Haigh saying something similar.

Yeah he said it when Test Match Sofa interviewed him.

 

[hazsa19]

Yeah the nature of ODIs makes it hard to strike a particularly riveting balance between bat and ball, so I've always felt the best ones were played on trickier pitches.

I've long maintained that the future of ODIs throughout the T20 era will not lie in making them more like T20s as they'll just be a poor imitation with no advantages - but in making them more like Tests. A format based around the contest between bat and ball that a Test gives you which you can attend in one day and see from start to finish would hold its place in the international calender. A format that bastardises itself into a longer version of T20 won't last.

Would you get rid of power-plays and fielding restrictions for 50 over matches?

 

[NasserFan207]

Nice recovery this so far, see how long it continues. Not much batting to come

 

[Furball]

Would you get rid of power-plays and fielding restrictions for 50 over matches?

I've always been intrigued as to what would happen if you set a Test match field for ODI batsmen.

 

[Jacknife]

Agree with the comms, would have a slip in still.

 

[Spark]

Definitely wouldn't get rid of fielding restrictions. 9 boundary rider fields don't make for very interesting cricket.

 

[Burgey]

Not this year anyway, the summer has been ****e.

Well it was good when I was there last month. I've been lucky though - four visits and put an umbrella up for an hour all told.

 

[Cevno]

No, the Oval is usually one of the quickest pitches in the country.

It's Bouncy but i don't think it is the quickest?

Just checking in the 40 over tournament results and has been a pretty flat wicket this season in List A favoring the Spinners more.

 

[Burgey]

That's a great shot.

 

[Jacknife]

Bowling a bit short so far Dernbach, needs to push it up a little more.