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[Prince EWS]

This is a Jadeja sort of situation IMO - doesn't need to score quickly; just needs to build an innings and bat through the middle overs. Might actually do okay if he can handle the bounce.. I'll be pretty peeved if he ends up winning MOTM though.

 

[Jacknife]

The problem is that his stock ball doesn't move and it isn't quick enough. Good batsmen can put it where they want for ones and twos, and that's even if he didn't serve up the four balls he does to go with it.

When I've seen him bowl for Surrey in 4 day cricket he gets a bit of out swing going, not unlike Broad but not so much with the white ball.
88-90mph is quick enough imo and he's got the potential to get a bit faster under England coaching, like all bowling it depends how much control he can develop.

 

[MW1304]

Should still be way down the list of potential Test options.

Unfortunately I'm not sure he's that far down. Still below Tremmers, Onions and Finn but he was in the squad for the Rose Bowl Sri Lanka Test, so you never know. He shouldn't be anywhere near, for sure, but still interesting to see how goes on this pitch.

 

[Prince EWS]

When I've seen him bowl for Surrey in 4 day cricket he gets a bit of out swing going, not unlike Broad but not so much with the white ball.

He also goes at almost 6.5rpo in one day cricket for Surrey. I know he bowls a lot at the death, but gosh.

 

[Prince EWS]

Still below Tremmers, Onions and Finn

Which puts him in the third eleven. That's a fair way down.

 

[Cevno]

This is a Jadeja sort of situation IMO - doesn't need to score quickly; just needs to build an innings and bat through the middle overs. Might actually do okay if he can handle the bounce.. I'll be pretty peeved if he ends up winning MOTM though.

Yeah, if he does well with the bat here can see him doing well with the ball too, keeping it tight in a low scoring match.

 

[MW1304]

Which puts him in the third eleven. That's a fair way down.

Not way down on the list of potential Test options, though.

 

[Jacknife]

He also goes at almost 6.5rpo in one day cricket for Surrey. I know he bowls a lot at the death, but gosh.

That's been over the course of his career and anyone thats seen him play the last year or so say he's much improved. Don't want to sound like a Dirtbag fanboy or anything.

 

[Furball]

Unfortunately I'm not sure he's that far down. Still below Tremmers, Onions and Finn but he was in the squad for the Rose Bowl Sri Lanka Test, so you never know. He shouldn't be anywhere near, for sure, but still interesting to see how goes on this pitch.

Bear in mind that for the Sri Lanka series Bresnan was injured, Anderson missed the 2nd Test through injury and Onions had just started his comeback from a stress fracture which cost him a year of his career. Fairly certain Shazad was injured as well - Dernbach would have been in the squad as a possible like for like replacement for Anderson. At best, Dernbach makes an England 2nd XI as the 3rd seamer, at worst he's firmly in the 3rd XI firmly behind Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Tremlett, Finn, Onions and Shazad.

 

[Howe_zat]

I'd like to see third man come up for Jadeja facing the seamers. Make him play a proper shot to score.

 

[Furball]

Not way down on the list of potential Test options, though.

Anderson - first name on team sheet
Broad - definite first XI
Bresnan/Tremlett - one is a definite, the other is your first reserve
Finn - started Ashes tour in first XI, played against Sri Lanka when Anderson and Bresnan were injured, so safe to say he's 5th in line
Onions - called up for 4th Test v India as insurance were Anderson not to make it through injury. Safe to say that puts him ahead of Dernbach.
Shazad - made Test debut vs Bangladesh and went with England squad for Ashes tour, playing a couple of First Class games. Probably the only one on this list who isn't definitively ahead of Dernbach.

 

[MW1304]

Anderson - first name on team sheet
Broad - definite first XI
Bresnan/Tremlett - one is a definite, the other is your first reserve
Finn - started Ashes tour in first XI, played against Sri Lanka when Anderson and Bresnan were injured, so safe to say he's 5th in line
Onions - called up for 4th Test v India as insurance were Anderson not to make it through injury. Safe to say that puts him ahead of Dernbach.
Shazad - made Test debut vs Bangladesh and went with England squad for Ashes tour, playing a couple of First Class games. Probably the only one on this list who isn't definitively ahead of Dernbach.

By that I thought you meant replacements, so fair enough. I'd guess he's above Shahzad atm.

 

[Howe_zat]

Eoin Morgan's having surgery and he's been ruled out of the tour to India.

 

[Furball]

By that I thought you meant replacements, so fair enough. I'd guess he's above Shahzad atm.

You'd also need to consider Chris Woakes who has a better FC record and adds batting depth.

 

[Furball]

Eoin Morgan's having surgery and he's been ruled out of the tour to India.

Should call up Taylor for the final 2 games of the series IMO.

 

[Arjun]

Maybe it's time India has another proper batsman opening the innings? They're skating on thin ice with wicketkeepers opening for them so often. There's no shortage of proper ODI openers in India.

 

[Spark]

Haha Swann is seriously pissed.

 

[Jacknife]

Need to push for another wicket I feel, can't let them coast along.

 

[Arjun]

On wicketkeepers, I seriously hope Dhoni recovers his form and has a good series. He's too valuable a batsman for India to lose.

 

[Furball]

Maybe it's time India has another proper batsman opening the innings? They're skating on thin ice with wicketkeepers opening for them so often. There's no shortage of proper ODI openers in India.

Should call up Wasim Jaffer IMO.