WHY do they say this?

[Cruxdude]

I've read many times that the only job in Australia more important than the cricket captaincy is Prime Minister.

Shahid Afridi leads a nation that is just as cricket-mad as India but that has suffered a lot of pain outside and inside of cricket.

Andrew Strauss captains the side that is home to arguably the world's most intrusive media.

Shakib and Tamim deal with being the only players keeping head above water at international level

Etc etc

Well I hope you were trying to be funny there.

 

[GIMH]

****, we best treble Tendy's average

 

[Ikki]

You're overlooking the fact that none of the aforementioned parties comes from a country where they have to be constantly on the look out for people attempting to blow smoke up their arse. Which I concede, must be very stressful.

 

[Cruxdude]

The expectation of Tendulkar in India is pretty inconceivable. He is expected to not only score runs every single game and win India every single match, he is also expected to be a perfect gentleman at all times, and this has been the case since he was a 16 year old kid. Consider this, a tax exemption that was given to him for a ferrari he was gifted became a raging controversy in the country. For all his demigod status he was ridiculed like hell by the Indian media when he was having his poor form.

 

[Cruxdude]

****, we best treble Tendy's average

No one here is arguing anything about Tendulkar's records. The discussion was just about the pressure he faces.

 

[GIMH]

Well I hope you were trying to be funny there.

No. They are all pressure situations.

Just FTR I don't remember anyone cutting Freddie any slack when he did the pedalo **** in 07. In fact Sanz has repeatedly brought it up since to ridicule Flintoff. You think Freddie had had any pressure on him from the 05 Ashes through to pedalogate? And yeah, he cracked. But was the pressure an excuse? Nah, just a pisshead from the northern slums of England.

 

[Cruxdude]

No. They are all pressure situations.

Just FTR I don't remember anyone cutting Freddie any slack when he did the pedalo **** in 07. In fact Sanz has repeatedly brought it up since to ridicule Flintoff. You think Freddie had had any pressure on him from the 05 Ashes through to pedalogate? And yeah, he cracked. But was the pressure an excuse? Nah, just a pisshead from the northern slums of England.

Yeah Freddie cracked under the pressure after what 2 years of it and here is a guy who faces as much if not more throughout his career since when he was 16 years and he has not cracked.

 

[GIMH]

Lol way to miss my point.

When lord sachin was booed by his home fans, how did he perform? How did that pressure work out for him?

I remember it well, you see, Shaun Udal took 4-14 and we routed India in Mumbai.

 

[Cruxdude]

Lol way to miss my point.

When lord sachin was booed by his home fans, how did he perform? How did that pressure work out for him?

I remember it well, you see, Shaun Udal took 4-14 and we routed India in Mumbai.

Ohh yeah there was no such stuff as tennis elbow.

 

[GIMH]

yeah and Freddie never had any injuries

Before any ****** accuses me of comparing my hero with Tendy, I'm not. I'm merely pointing out hypocrisy. If pressure means we give extra praise to Tendy, then we cut slack to Freddie who had to bat top six, lead the attack and captain England at the time when cricket was under its greatest scrutiny in this country. He hadd chronic injuries himself and players dropping all around him but all I've ever read is how unprofessional he is because he got bladdered and on the pedalo.

Sachin has faced pressure, but so have and do many others. I gave valid examples and they were met with 'I hope you're joking'. Why? Is it that hard for you to accept that other guys have it tough to? That Ponting stood as Sachin's equal/superior through the 00s with the added burden of leading the top team in the world and watching them retire? Is that not greater pressure than Sachin ever had to face? Of course it is. He sucked arse as a captain and moved on. Some might say Ponting sucked arse as a skipper too but the fact is, he scored bucket fulls with that pressure.

And I didn't even mean to make this Sachin V Ricky but the fact that I did kinda sums up how ****ing ******** it is to try and put Tendulkar up there with Bradman.

 

[centurymaker]

To be fair irrespecitive of the population the Indian fan is a lot more fanatical both ways than compared to other countries.
Sometimes can be downright silly and the media is so overcriticising and overpraising from one end to the other. Though it is getting better.

Don't think Ponting has ever been booed in his home ground in Tasmania ,has he?
Or been mobbed at the local barber shop to just catch a glimpse of him and have to call the police to ****** him out?

The whole billion thing exaggerates the pressure point a bit ,but the pressure in India in this day and age is i think more than in other countries. And the avenues to release the pressure are restricted too.

Besides the money and all the extra curricular activites and the dummy god status makes it real tough to keep motivated for long these days and in all sports the peak of a sportsperson is coming down .Thanks to one thing - Motivation.

When you have almost done it all ,earned enough money to make sure that even your great grandchildren won't have to work ,what really is the motivation to carry on when your body is injured and your home crowd (where you have grown up) are booing you and people like Chappell and Manjrekar are out with knifes in the media to get you.
Just look at Yuvraj who lost his way after a great start and gained weight and was more interested in girls and cars later on.
Also look at Ian Thorpe if you want a australian example in other sports who was only at the top for a short while and then lost motivation.
To stay at the top for 21 years is that more tougher.

TOP POST!!!

The reaction to winning was ridiculously overblown too, in all honesty. Both sides kind of struggled to measure what had happened because it was such an upset and such a fantastic series.

Not to mention the immense weight behind having finally ended the 18-year rule of a seemingly unbeatable team.

Reaction to India's win.

Who cares if such and such was averaging 80 when you manipulate the numbers and remove bad performances at the beginning and end of his career or whatever other rubbish you've attempted.

Without removing anything Bradman averaged 99.94 FFS!

Bradman played more than 100 tests and all over the world.
ok, Yes he didn't have the opportunity to do so but if bradman sort of boundaries (played in 2 countries, few tests etc) were applied to other top cricketers stats, you would get very high averages too.

LAME POSTS TO FOLLOW-

Don't you know? If statistics and from certain events are not convenient for purposes of proving Sachin to be the better player, it's a widely accepted fact (amongst some people) that they never happened.

If only there were people like rock stars, actors and footballers who understood what Sachin goes through

I've read many times that the only job in Australia more important than the cricket captaincy is Prime Minister.

Shahid Afridi leads a nation that is just as cricket-mad as India but that has suffered a lot of pain outside and inside of cricket.

Andrew Strauss captains the side that is home to arguably the world's most intrusive media.

Shakib and Tamim deal with being the only players keeping head above water at international level

Etc etc

SOme people always fail to comprehend things. 9/10 of your posts are pititful. I rarely see you make a decent post.
Afridi's team were welcomed back to pakistan after their defeat. Pretty sure there would've been an opposite reaction in india, had India lost. You know what, I read somewhere that 90% of the india's viewers watched the last semi-final. Safe to say that you don't get this sort of staggerring viewership anywhere in the world.

You're overlooking the fact that none of the aforementioned parties comes from a country where they have to be constantly on the look out for people attempting to blow smoke up their arse. Which I concede, must be very stressful.

Very funny, people like you make this forum such a pleasant place.

 

[centurymaker]

yeah and Freddie never had any injuries

Before any ****** accuses me of comparing my hero with Tendy, I'm not. I'm merely pointing out hypocrisy. If pressure means we give extra praise to Tendy, then we cut slack to Freddie who had to bat top six, lead the attack and captain England at the time when cricket was under its greatest scrutiny in this country. He hadd chronic injuries himself and players dropping all around him but all I've ever read is how unprofessional he is because he got bladdered and on the pedalo.

Sachin has faced pressure, but so have and do many others. I gave valid examples and they were met with 'I hope you're joking'. Why? Is it that hard for you to accept that other guys have it tough to? That Ponting stood as Sachin's equal/superior through the 00s with the added burden of leading the top team in the world and watching them retire? Is that not greater pressure than Sachin ever had to face? Of course it is. He sucked arse as a captain and moved on. Some might say Ponting sucked arse as a skipper too but the fact is, he scored bucket fulls with that pressure.

And I didn't even mean to make this Sachin V Ricky but the fact that I did kinda sums up how ****ing ******** it is to try and put Tendulkar up there with Bradman.

Tendulkar avg'd over 50 as a captain too, it's just that he's not a natural leader. His voice sums it up.
Ponting scored bucket loads when the greats were in the team, not after they retired.
Tendulkar cracks under immense pressure every now and then. We saw it in the last game.

 

[GotSpin]

And where did i talk about Bradman there?
We were talking about pressure of playing there in India, in day to day life. Obviously the world war affected his career and so of many others.
But it has not much to do with day to day cricketing pressure and avenues to release it.

And btw There was a pretty big depression recently too and there have been war left right and centre everywhere recently though maybe not a world war ,not to mention terrorism and the security threats if we are going down that road.

You didn't need to mention Bradman specifically, but I thought I'd suggest that perhaps he too was under a lot of pressure.

Apologies but yours is a seriously ignorant reply. I dare say Bradman was under immense pressure to perform in an era where his performances were one of the few highlights for the public. He was an Australian sporting idol during years of great turmoil that included the recovery of a nation following the great depression and WWII. Not to mention his influence in England following WWII as well.

It's completely incorrect to suggest that Tendulkar alone as a batsmen has faced great pressure from the public. I suggest that you actually read up on the scrutiny and immense pressure to perform Bradman faced before talking about Sachin getting a haircut.

I won't even bother discussing the comparisons between the Great Depression and the GFC nor WWII and todays conflicts because it's ridiculous.

Quite a silly post.

I thought you'd be able to make the logical conclusion but apparently not

 

[sledger]

People like me? Heh.

 

[Cruxdude]

@ GIMH

We weren't talking about the pressures on the cricket field, rather the discussion was about the pressure from outside (the billion+ population of Indian) which Tendulkar faces and which according to some was BS. So there goes most of your post. Also I never argued about Tendulkar being better than Bradman.

Now onto the rest. Let alone drunk on a pedalo, if Tendulkar was caught drunk on camera or something it will cause an uproar in the country. Yeah something as simple as getting drunk will cause a massive reaction. He has to be the perfect cricketer and the perfect gentleman at all times.

 

[sledger]

Afridi's team were welcomed back to pakistan after their defeat. Pretty sure there would've been an opposite reaction in india, had India lost. You know what, I read somewhere that 90% of the india's viewers watched the last semi-final. Safe to say that you don't get this sort of staggerring viewership anywhere in the world.

Always very helpful when people make these sorts of observations and then fail to coroborate them with anything tangible, and then have the nerve to label the posts of others as being "pitiful". Ahem.

 

[centurymaker]

You didn't need to mention Bradman specifically, but I thought I'd suggest that perhaps he too was under a lot of pressure.

Apologies but yours is a seriously ignorant reply. I dare say Bradman was under immense pressure to perform in an era where his performances were one of the few highlights for the public. He was an Australian sporting idol during years of great turmoil that included the recovery of a nation following the great depression and WWII. Not to mention his influence in England following WWII as well.

It's completely incorrect to suggest that Tendulkar alone as a batsmen has faced great pressure from the public. I suggest that you actually read up on the scrutiny and immense pressure to perform Bradman faced before talking about Sachin getting a haircut.

I won't even bother discussing the comparisons between the Great Depression and the GFC nor WWII and todays conflicts because it's ridiculous.



I thought you'd be able to make the logical conclusion but apparently not

I agree with you. However, there was hardly any media back then.
btw don't india have a war against pakistan every 20 odd years?

 

[GIMH]

Right, I was gonna say this before, then wiped it, but after centurymaker's wonderful posts then what the hell

Is it the case that some India fans who have never travelled outside India are undeliberately manipulated into an unrealistic world that paints everything as harder for Sachin?

I only ask because the likes of Jono, vcs and SS all live or have lived outside India and are a lot more level-headed on this sort of issue.

Obviously there are exceptions, like Teja - one of the gunnest posters on CW full stop - but still. Perceptions seem so different between those based in and out of India.

 

[GotSpin]

I agree with you. However, there was hardly any media back then.
btw don't india have a war against pakistan every 20 odd years?

Yeah the people back then didn't have the printing press or a thing called radio. They were so backward

World War II

was the most widespread war in history, with more than 100 million military personnel mobilised. In a state of "total war," the major participants placed their entire economic, industrial, and scientific capabilities at the service of the war effort, erasing the distinction between civilian and military resources. Marked by significant events involving the mass death of civilians, including the Holocaust and the only use of nuclear weapons in warfare, it was the deadliest conflict in human history,[4] resulting in 50 million to over 70 million fatalities.

 

[Cruxdude]

I thought you'd be able to make the logical conclusion but apparently not

The original post was only about Tendulkar and Ponting so yeah it was silly to get Bradman in.