*Official* New Zealand in Bangladesh 2010

[Flem274*]

Yer, I was addressing him being a 'finisher'.

You guys see the NZA tour match?
Tour Match: Mountaineers v New Zealand A at Harare, Oct 3-4, 2010 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com
Pinga

Yeah I saw.

He'll still average 60 this season for CD, which is the important thing.

 

[NZ Guy]

I see Jamie How is still in T20 mode

 

[Bahnz]

Middle order looks a shambles at the mo. I think it's just about time that Elliot has a spell out of the side. He's had a miserable run since his performances in the CT last year, and I think he might need some time back in domestic cricket to get his game sorted. Badly missing Piggo and Big Jake, and its a tough place for the new guys to make their international debut. Awful lack of depth in our middle order batting at the moment.

Also, Tuffee should really be our third seamer. I know McKay has the awe inspiring ability to ball short spells in the low 140's, but I've really yet to see much evidence that there's much to him.

Slightly dispiriting to see Guppies crap form continuing in Zimbabwe of all places.

 

[Prince EWS]

Poor Stewart. Looks to be the next up and comer to be shafted by late order duties in ODIs.

Someone has to do it though. NZ need someone to come in at 6 or 7 and accelerate the innings, and they need to do it with some consistency (in other words, Nathan McCullum doesn't count). They've at least picked someone who actually is a bit of a hitter and isn't a top order batsman this time, so it's an upgrade from Broom. Franklin's really the only other option at this point and he was tried and failed.

 

[Flem274*]

Someone has to do it though. NZ need someone to come in at 6 or 7 and accelerate the innings, and they need to do it with some consistency (in other words, Nathan McCullum doesn't count). They've at least picked someone who actually is a bit of a hitter and isn't a top order batsman this time, so it's an upgrade from Broom. Franklin's really the only other option at this point and he was tried and failed.

Recall Gareth Hopkins.

Kruger van Wyk a contender for the job somewhere down the line imo. Peter McGlashan strangely shafted as well.

 

[_Ed_]

Peter McGlashan strangely shafted as well.

Yeah, never heard a decent explanation for his disappearance from the frame.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Didn't see it.

I think this loss has more to do with Bangladesh improving than us being crap at ODIs. They're becoming a very good outfit these days. Mortaza, Razzak and Shakib are class bowlers and Tamim, Nafees, Mamuhdullah and Shakib are good batsmen.

Yeah Bangladesh are a pretty decent ODI side at home..I can see them beating New Zealand, Pakistan, West Indies at home..

That was pretty clearly out. Us Bangers fan were actually pretty appalled. And then I was also following the India-Australia match and well...this dumb decision seemed smaller than the massive 4 dumb decisions from that game! LOL!

Mashrafe Mortaza, Nazmul Hossain, Rubel Hossain and Shafiul Islam are all injured! Rubel was 90% fit for this match but was not risked. Nazmul got hurt today and is out of the next match which leaves the selectors with a few choices to recall Syed Rasel, Shahadat Hossain, Dollar Mahmud and a few other blokes.

However, the chief selector has said that most probably it will be a between Shahadat Hossain and Syed Rasel. The panel will talk with the coach Jamie Siddons on Wednesday morning and the final squad for the 2nd ODI will then be announced.

If not Shafiul, I at least hope Rubel is 100% match fit for the next match and sincerely hope Rasel is playing. If the pitches for the upcoming matches are going to be of such nature as today's than Rasel's slow cutters, dippers and skidders will be perfect for Bangladesh against New Zealand !

Yeah Thats terrible news...how bad is Masrafe's injury?? I hope he doesnt miss the WC

 

[Athlai]

Duckworth Lewis really needs a looking at imo.

 

[Murtini]

Mortaza is just an ankle sprain I believe. He'll be ok for the world cup, I just feel Bangladesh might not want to risk him, which makes sense.

Shakib Al Hasan.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Duckworth Lewis really needs a looking at imo.

Nah not in the game just gone, it made sense that NZ only got 18 free runs in exchange for losing 13 overs. The 4 wickets down at a fairly early stage means the batting side would often get bowled out in 50 overs, even consolidating you'd still lose the odd wicket and a big chunk of 'resources' in the process. If you can't get your head around it think of a team being 8 down after 15 overs. If they're 8 down the innings suddenly being reduced from 50 overs to 37 is hardly ever going to make any difference. Being 4 down is a less extreme version and with teams being able to up their aggression for less overs anyway...

The unfairness comes from loss of power play overs and someone being effectively and prematurely bowled out. But that's impossible to quantify.

 

[Athlai]

Nah not in the game just gone, it made sense that NZ only got 18 free runs in exchange for losing 13 overs. The 4 wickets down at a fairly early stage means the batting side would often get bowled out in 50 overs, even consolidating you'd still lose the odd wicket and a big chunk of 'resources' in the process. If you can't get your head around it think of a team being 8 down after 15 overs. If they're 8 down the innings suddenly being reduced from 50 overs to 37 is hardly ever going to make any difference. Being 4 down is a less extreme version and with teams being able to up their aggression for less overs anyway...

The unfairness comes from loss of power play overs and someone being effectively and prematurely bowled out. But that's impossible to quantify.

Even 4 wickets down I'm reasonably sure there has been bugger all ODIs in history that have had 13 overs go for 18 runs.

 

[vcs]

I remember one ODI when England toured India in 2008 where they batted second, scored more runs than India and still lost.

4th ODI: India v England at Bangalore, Nov 23, 2008 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

 

[vic_orthdox]

Even 4 wickets down I'm reasonably sure there has been bugger all ODIs in history that have had 13 overs go for 18 runs.

Yeah, but so what?

That's not how the system is supposed to work.

If you need 80 to win off 20 overs, with 6 wickets in hand and it rains, you can't just make it 40 off 10 with 6 wickets in hand, because the former is way easier. You have to adjust for the ability for chasing team to accelerate with less overs to do their job.

 

[Athlai]

Sure but it wasn't 10 overs to go and less than 2 runs an over just seems like a mistake. I know you can hardly just get the current RPO and use it as a point of reference and that wickets in hand count for a fair bit. But only 18 runs minused at the expense of 13 overs? That is a big ****ing price.

And in a match with 10 run difference this becomes a notable issue. Bangers got a bit of a benefit in the lower overs considering Mortaza's injury, as they could get away with Mahmudllah bowl 6 overs and having Shakib and Razzak bowl a full 8.

 

[Prince EWS]

Nah not in the game just gone, it made sense that NZ only got 18 free runs in exchange for losing 13 overs. The 4 wickets down at a fairly early stage means the batting side would often get bowled out in 50 overs, even consolidating you'd still lose the odd wicket and a big chunk of 'resources' in the process. If you can't get your head around it think of a team being 8 down after 15 overs. If they're 8 down the innings suddenly being reduced from 50 overs to 37 is hardly ever going to make any difference. Being 4 down is a less extreme version and with teams being able to up their aggression for less overs anyway...

The unfairness comes from loss of power play overs and someone being effectively and prematurely bowled out. But that's impossible to quantify.

AWTA. People just don't understand it and end up making comments and comparisons that completely miss the point. It has a few issues in T20 but it's always been fine in ODIs IMO.

 

[Athlai]

AWTA. People just don't understand it and end up making comments and comparisons that completely miss the point. It has a few issues in T20 but it's always been fine in ODIs IMO.

Na duckworth lewis has always been the best way of working around an otherwise unsolvable problem. It changes the game drastically and often shifts the balance of the match before rain affected it at all, but it's the best solution so far been put out there.

Just find all rain affected matches annoying tbh.

 

[Black_Warrior]

See the thing is, there is no better alternative. Rain is beyond human control. From all the man made models available, D/L is the best.

 

[Trigger_Tiger]

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Yeah Thats terrible news...how bad is Masrafe's injury?? I hope he doesnt miss the WC

Well...they would monitor him for 2 weeks which mean he's for sure out of this series, after which, upon his condition, they would decide his treatment. He is in good health and state of mind and commented after the match that "the win lessened his pain and made him forget about it"...hahaha! Usually this son of a gun sleeps when his team is batting only to wake up when either he is needed or is winning...too cool! LOL !

He should be fine for the world cup...unless some other misfortune strikes him!

Shakib's been one of my favourite players for awhile. Great to see him winning that match for them and now i'm hoping they can win the series against the Kiwi's. I'm guessing with Mortaza out he'll be taking over the captaincy? Will his form drop again for the rest of the series?

The way Mortaza got injured is pretty much similar to the time when he hurt himself in the West Indies and Shakib gained the captaincy in that 1st Test. However, Shakib requested to be taken of the captaincy to concentrate more on his flaws. But now it should not be much of a problem...I will translate an interview of his that is in Bangla after he came back from playing for Worcestershire...the dude's got good work ethics, which got better with that little county stint!

As for his form, he was always good with the ball and on the field in general...his batting is a worrying sign which leaves us all a bit frustrated!

 

[Trigger_Tiger]

One thing I find strange is the absence of Daryl Tuffey. The biggest chink in Bangladeshi batsmen's armor is their weakness to play at short pitched deliveries and besides Tamim (not playing), Shakib, Zunaed (improved) and Imrul (recently improved), the rest are pretty much grade schoolers against that ball!

 

[Athlai]

I've always thought Rahim handled short pitched deliveries better than anyone in the team besides Tamim. Perhaps because he is so very short.