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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

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masterblaster

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sledger said:
This is the typical Vince McMahon "my company is better than yours" attitude at it's worst. I appreciate the fact that Danielson has not worked in the E before and needs to start at the bottom, I wouldn't object to him being mentored so to speak by any of the others, but this strikes me as a very cheap pop at him and the internet wrestling scene. It doesn't bother me all that much, but I still find it petty and stupid.
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Agreed. You only have to look at the contrast with TNA. TNA hire Nigel McGuinness and although they renamed him to Desmond Wolfe, they immediately recognised all his great efforts in ROH and had enough confidence in him to put him in a high profile feud against Kurt Angle.

You'd never see WWE do that to any of their newcomers. Everybody even if they don't deserve it has to work their way up from the bottom. I can't help but think that the WWE are hurting themselves by sticking to this very old school mentality as it's clearly preventing new break out stars.
 
sledger

sledger

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masterblaster said:
Agreed. You only have to look at the contrast with TNA. TNA hire Nigel McGuinness and although they renamed him to Desmond Wolfe, they immediately recognised all his great efforts in ROH and had enough confidence in him to put him in a high profile feud against Kurt Angle.

You'd never see WWE do that to any of their newcomers. Everybody even if they don't deserve it has to work their way up from the bottom. I can't help but think that the WWE are hurting themselves by sticking to this very old school mentality as it's clearly preventing new break out stars.
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To be fair to the E, I can see why they've put him in at the bottom. I have no problem with this. Though Danielson is pretty popular and a great worker, he is in essence an indy guy, and as such bumping him too high up the card wouldn't look good either. The only really high profile debut that I can think of that actually worked out well in the long run was that of Chris Jericho, and even he had to spend a long time on the backburner working awful feuds with Chyna etc... TNA handled McGuinness quite well, but I think if they had pushed him any harder then it would have been very counter productive. Also it's probably not too fair to criticise the E for not allowing young guys to break out, as we're seeing a lot of new guys got to new places at the moment, and the whole point of the NXT show is to keep this up. NXT is the logical place to put Danielson for mine, but to suggest that he is being "mentored" by the Miz is obviously just an attempt to stick massive middle finger up at the IWC and anyone who knows what a great guy Danielson is. I doubt it will effect his long term popularity, in fact working with the Miz is probably a good thing, but it's clear this decision has been made for entirely stupid and petty reasons and just irks me somewhat.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Just saw the Jerry Springer segment on Raw.

WWE clearly still the same ****. That was ****ing woeful.
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

International Captain
sledger said:
To be fair to the E, I can see why they've put him in at the bottom. I have no problem with this. Though Danielson is pretty popular and a great worker, he is in essence an indy guy, and as such bumping him too high up the card wouldn't look good either. The only really high profile debut that I can think of that actually worked out well in the long run was that of Chris Jericho, and even he had to spend a long time on the backburner working awful feuds with Chyna etc... TNA handled McGuinness quite well, but I think if they had pushed him any harder then it would have been very counter productive. Also it's probably not too fair to criticise the E for not allowing young guys to break out, as we're seeing a lot of new guys got to new places at the moment, and the whole point of the NXT show is to keep this up. NXT is the logical place to put Danielson for mine, but to suggest that he is being "mentored" by the Miz is obviously just an attempt to stick massive middle finger up at the IWC and anyone who knows what a great guy Danielson is. I doubt it will effect his long term popularity, in fact working with the Miz is probably a good thing, but it's clear this decision has been made for entirely stupid and petty reasons and just irks me somewhat.
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Well it has generated a ton of publicity for NXT and has even gotten a mention on WWE's website. The Miz has posted up a blog too addressing the situation, so all this controversy is actually helping to make NXT a compelling TV show. WWE are often smarter than we give them credit for. The dynamic between The Miz and Bryan Danielson alone will make NXT worth watching.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Jono said:
Just saw the Jerry Springer segment on Raw.

WWE clearly still the same ****. That was ****ing woeful.
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Haha. It was entirely pointless and ridiculous but I have to admit that parts of it had me in stitches.

"Haven't you seen Grand Master ***y, your kid wll be a screwup!"

Jericho was gold on the mic on Smackdown last night. Looking forwards to Sunday, I shall be ordering the Chamber.
 
sledger

sledger

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Haha Brian Christopher WAG, shame he was always on drugs, always quite enjoyed watching any matches/segments involving him.
 
sledger

sledger

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Well...I guess we won't be seeing the MITB at WM this year, as WWE have gone and added this event to their PPV calendar....

July 18th: Money In The Bank
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Very annoying in my eyes. I really hate the way there are now so many PPVs that center around gimmick matches. Also a shame because I always enjoyed watching MITB at WM, was always a part of the card to look forward to..

On a side note, currently downloading the demo for TEW 2010, doubt I will bother to buy it, but should be fun to have a play around on it for a while.
 
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GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
sledger said:
Well...I guess we won't be seeing the MITB at WM this year, as WWE have gone and added this event to their PPV calendar....



Very annoying in my eyes. I really hate the way there are now so many PPVs that center around gimmick matches. Also a shame because I always enjoyed watching MITB at WM, was always a part of the card to look forward to..

On a side note, currently downloading the demo for TEW 2010, doubt I will bother to buy it, but should be fun to have a play around on it for a while.
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You know, at first I was like, meh, about that. But after thinking about it, it doesn't need to be the end of the world. Mania doesn't really need a match like MITB as it sells itself, especially in years like this one where we look set for a total supercard. Giving it its own PPV means it takes on a KOTR sort of status, potentially. I'll be interested to see if they stick with the ladder format or actually go with a tournament.

I'm not overly fussed on these gimmick PPVs myself, but apparently the buyrates were pretty good for them last year, and money obviously talks. I am interested in seeing what the concept behind WWE Wildcard is, while Fatal Four Way is a turd of an idea.

I'm sad to see the end of Backlash but Extreme Rules is a logical event to have in the post-Mania slot so I'll live with it. As long as the Rumble, Mania and Summerslam are left alone, I don't really mind what happens the rest of the time...
 
sledger

sledger

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GeraintIsMyHero said:
You know, at first I was like, meh, about that. But after thinking about it, it doesn't need to be the end of the world. Mania doesn't really need a match like MITB as it sells itself, especially in years like this one where we look set for a total supercard. Giving it its own PPV means it takes on a KOTR sort of status, potentially. I'll be interested to see if they stick with the ladder format or actually go with a tournament.

I'm not overly fussed on these gimmick PPVs myself, but apparently the buyrates were pretty good for them last year, and money obviously talks. I am interested in seeing what the concept behind WWE Wildcard is, while Fatal Four Way is a turd of an idea.

I'm sad to see the end of Backlash but Extreme Rules is a logical event to have in the post-Mania slot so I'll live with it. As long as the Rumble, Mania and Summerslam are left alone, I don't really mind what happens the rest of the time...
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To an extent, I certainly agree. Money obviously does talk, and I don't blame the E for wanting to go in this direction. But the type of fan I am, just doesn't anticipate this kind of thing too highly. The big appeal of all of the high prestige matches for me, was the way more often than not they would be sprung upon you without you seeing it coming. The best example of this is when Foley challenged HHH to the HIAC match at No Way out that time. For mine, if you know they are coming, it takes some of the excitement off. Particulary, as with the case of a few of the new PPVs, you get an entire card of these types of matches.

I agree that WM didn't need the MITB on the card to make the event great, but I kind of liked it there, it was always a good way to get a load of guys who are great workers but not over enough to get their own match on at Mania a way to get on the card and also put on a really good match. For me it has kind of come synonmous with the event, and a lot of the best memories of WMs between 21 and the present day have come from the MITB matches, for mine anyway.

I know these gimmick events seem to raise big money, but surey the ethos ought to be "if our product is good enough as it is, we don't need to rely on extra gimmicks to draw". I know the SS PPV last year tanked, in fact I can't even remember what the hell was on the card...*goes and checks wiki*....ah yes, now the two World Title matches on that card are huge, I find it hard to imagine that the event failed to draw because of those. Granted the elimination tag concept probably needed an overhall, but was there no better way to do this than to change the PPV so drastically? It doesn't bother me that much, but it does strike me as a shame.

Agree with you on Backlash as well, was always one of my favourite events of the year. On balance I would say that in terms of consistancy it was often a better event than WM itself. Particulary in 2000. Agree on the Fatal Four Way concept as well, dire.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Okay, so it's the Chamber tonight, or No Way Out as it used to be called. Thought I might as well post some tips

WWE title - Sheamus (C) V Randy Orton V John Cena V Triple H V Ted Dibiase V Kofi Kingston
Been mulling this one over, and I honestly think it's wide-open. Some are more likely to win than others but there is nobody I would rule out completely.

That being said, I can't see Kofi winning it, would be epic if he did, hopefully he gets a decent amount of time to shine after being removed from the match last year. But I'm scratching him off.

Okay then we have Orton and Dibiase. They seem set to face off at Mania, possibly in a three-way with Cody. Now there's nothing to say for certain that it won't be for the belt, but I don't see it. So they are both scratched off, just hoping to see things go off between them but not to an extent that means the Mania clash won't be 'new'.

Then Cena. Again, he looks set to face Batista at Mania. Now part of me thinks that Cena might take the strap here, because Vince has perhaps promised big Dave a title shot at Mania against whoever Edge doesn't pick...you certainly could have Cena-Batista for the belt...I think it has enough going for it without the title though. So Cena is off the list.

So we have The Game and the Celtic Warrior. Now I reckon they will face off for title at Mania. Which means one of them will win here. All the signs point to Triple H, but then it's always better to see a title change hands rather than retained on the big stage (see Triple H-Orton last year for a great example of ****ing this up) and the annoucers have banged on so much about how he's the favourite that I actually don't think he'll win it. So...

Winner: Sheamus

Intercontinental title: Drew McIntyre (C) V Kane
Hard to see past this being anything but a big win or the Scotman.
Winner: Drew McIntyre

Divas title: Maryse V Gail Kim
Hard to see past a Maryse victory, hopefully we'll then see her join up with The Miz
Winner: Maryse

World Heavyweight title - Undertaker (C) V Chris Jericho V R-Truth V John Morrison V CM Punk V Rey Mysterio
Holy **** am I looking forwards to this!! While the RAW chamber seems to be more wide open, the guys in this and the potential subplots mean I am expecting an early contender for match of the year.

First up, there is the whole Morrison ankle shenanigans. Will he be able to compete? Will Shawn Michaels try and take his spot? I wouldn't look past it.

Then there's the Rey and Punk feud that's boiling. We should see it really spill over in the cage tonight, ready for a showstealer at Mania. You've also got R-Truth getting his chance to shine.

When all is said and done though, I can only see one winner. The fear I have is that Vince likes to swerve things sometimes when the Internet seem to be onto what's going to happen - see Matt being Jeff's surprise attacker instead of Christian, and Triple H retaining at Mania last year. That being said, Jericho-Edge has been on the cards ever since Jericho was drafted to Smackdown - I suspected they wanted to do it at Summerslam originally - and it would be hard to see it being anything other than a Mania classic. On top of that, Taker's title reign is starting to run on empty, if he retains here then he also retains it next month and that's probably a bit too long. So Jericho for the win, but what I'm interested in is how he gets there. I'm predicting involvement from HBK, be that legitimately as a participant or somehow from the outside. Should be a ripper, anyway.

Winner: Chris Jericho

Rumour has it we'll see Edge V Batista as well (Big Dave to win if they do, IMO) and hopefully we'll get something else as well. But let's be honest, this show is about the two chamber matches, and I can't wait :)
 
sledger

sledger

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HBK clearly getting involved in one of the two Chamber matches, as he has nothing else on the card whatsoever. I think you've called it right the the Morrison ankle injury thing, which has clearly been done for a reason. An absence of Edge or Batista on the card is pretty criminal as well imo, so I'd expect to see both of them involved somehow. Particularly because we currently only have 4 listed matches, and two non-chamber matches are some of the most obvious filler I've seen. Not to mention the fact that Batista's face is all over the posters for the event.

Though I think it is a massive long shot, I wouldn't rule Kofi out, the (probable) absence of the MITB at WM means that he won't be caught up in that, and as he is really over at the moment, they have to find him a spot on the Mania card from somwhere. But as I say, massive long shot. I don't think Sheamus will retain though, I don't think the E would want him going into WM as a world title holder, I might be wrong however, but I would say someone else is walking out with the strap here, but I'm at a loss to say who, I'll predict Orton. But I think there will be some sort of swerve in this one somewhere along the line.

I think the result for both chambers hinge on HBK actually. I would suggest he'll interfere in one of them, but I'm not sure which. Surely he is either going to either interfere and somehow **** things up for HHH (actually going back on what I said earlier here) and see Sheamus retain. Or he'll interfere and cost Taker somehow, resulting in a Jericho win. Or of course, as previously mentioned, he could end up as a legit contender in the match itself...in which case...I wouldn't like to call it.
 
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Also...apparently all of the WWE NXT rookie guys are all on location for the PPV, so I imagine we'll get to see some involvement from them, if only some sort of debut presentation.
 
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