Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
It shows he can bat in tough conditions. What more do you want from him? How does it matter if he shows it in a test or an ODI?
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Saeed Anwar vs. Virender Sehwag
- Thread starter Maximus0723
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It's ridiculous how narrowly you're drawing the lines here! ODI is the one format that Sehwag has seriously underachieved!
You are defining greatness as playing inswingers on bouncy wickets in Test match formats and against (what you get to define fairly arbitrarily) good pace bowling in a narrowly defined 10 year period.
Sehwag has shown that he can adapt (see Mk2 vs Mk 1). He can only play the opposition that shows up and on pitches that are prepared. He's tailored his game to those circumstances and to the strengths of the team around him. Pleasing an arbitrary set of criteria is not material, even on internet fora.
If he emulated Anwar, he'd be fairly less useful to this Indian or any other team that has a good batting lineup (e.g. the Aussie teams of 90s & 00s - wouldnt need to pick Anwar over the 3 roughly contemporary left hand openers at their disposal in that period).
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
ODI form & performances doesn't equal test success. Surely you dont want be to list the MANY players who have excelled in ODIs in similar circumstances to tests, but failed in tests test in those actual circumstances?
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
If you perform well in tough conditions, you perform well in tough conditions. If you last in tough conditions, you last in tough conditions. How does it matter if it is an ODI or a test? Answer my question.
ret
International Debutant
In tests, a captain can have more men in catching/attacking positions and strike bowlers can bowl without quota restrictions
Some can argue that in ODIs, there is pressure to score runs but it's not similar to having guys standing all around you to grab the ball when you nick, with bowlers on top and more importantly with strike bowlers bowling without having to worry abt how many overs they can bowl
Test cricket is for a reason the best and the toughest format. A solid performance in tests is therefore usually rated higher than the one in limited overs format [ODIs/T20s]
PS coming back to the Q, I would pick Sehwag easily!
Some can argue that in ODIs, there is pressure to score runs but it's not similar to having guys standing all around you to grab the ball when you nick, with bowlers on top and more importantly with strike bowlers bowling without having to worry abt how many overs they can bowl
Test cricket is for a reason the best and the toughest format. A solid performance in tests is therefore usually rated higher than the one in limited overs format [ODIs/T20s]
PS coming back to the Q, I would pick Sehwag easily!
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ret
International Debutant
That's true .... Those were very good bowling conditions
I don't think there is a need to show that Sehwag can do well in tough conditions. When Sehwag is in form, it doesn't matter what the state of the pitch is or what the quality of bowling attack is. He can look dire on a perfect batting wkt and against mediocre bowling attacks and on the other hand, look out of the world in tough batting conditions and against quality bowling attacks
If someone is picking Anwar over Sehwag in tests then I would be glad as I would have Sehwag in my team
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Because its a different beast. Brett Lee bowled well with the white ball on flat decks (tough conditions) in ODIs yet struggled to emulate that in tests.
Your own Yuvraj Singh has scored ODI runs againts quality pace attacks (tough conditions) yet failed has failed to repeat that in tests.
Roger Twose was fantasitic in the 99 WC when the ball was swinging all over the place, bu came the the test in ENG he was a different batsman.
Graeme Hick & Nick Kinght where two of ENG ODI player ever. Scoring runs againts everybody, yet failed to replicate that in tests.
Brag Hogg fantastic ODI bowler in all conditions. Looked totally indept in the tests he played.
Chris Gayle fantastic ODI batsman has smoked almost everybody in that format in most conditions. Yet in tests he is a totally different players.
Really do i need to go on?
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Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
It's cricket in the end and if you have proven once, you can prove it again. And for the record, I rate Yuvraj Singh as a test batsman and think he will have a fine test career.
Shri
Mr. Glass
This is the part where I slowly back off away from you.
Avada Kedavra
Banned
Aussie keeps making farcical arguments.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Yes Sehwag has surprisingly underachieved in ODIs. But how does that change the fact that generally (90-95% of the time) that ODI form doesn't qual test match succcess
I never said that. I said Sehwag's weakness is againts inswingers. Even Gavaskar & Bruce Yardley was talking about it this morning when he was batting.
Please explain to me in detail how it is arbitrary then?
He hasn't shown this adaptability in tests.
Yes his batting style is indeed tailor made for this 2000s era of flat decks & every time in the world this era would love a Sehwag in their side.
But when he was dropped in 2007 after a being technically exposed by PAK & SA. I have not seen any improvements in his game since his return in Adelaide 2008.
He doesn't need to adapt Anwar's style of batting that would be idiotic. He just need to show the same ability to smoke verygood/poor pace attacks, as he has done countless times in tests againts very good attacks in bowler freindly conditions in tests.
Plus if Sehwag was AUS, Anwar not only would have been preferred now. But even in this 2000s era. IND dont have much depth in openers, if Sehwag was dropped (as he was in 2007). He would have struggled to regain back in place, given the competition for places.
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Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Sehwag plus inswinger on google gives this thread as the no 1 search result. Only 7000 results too. sehwag inswingers - Google Search
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Nope more than once. Since by that argument Darren Ganga could be considered a great batsman because he scored back to test hundreds vs AUS.
Also Upul Chandana can be considered a great spinner since he took a 10 wicket haul in a test vs AUS.
I struggle to see how you can rate him current performances. But i am in the camp also that feels Yuvraj has all the raw skills to be a very good test batsman eventually as well.
G.I.Joe
International Coach
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
By any chance as an indian fan did you tape the Mumbai test vs AUS 04 & the Ahmedabad test vs SA 08?.
This is where video analysis could end this debate. Since if you remember how McGrath & Steyn dismissed him in those two first innings 4 years apart, you would see the striking similarities in this technical flaw againts inswinging deliveries.