Saeed Anwar vs. Virender Sehwag

[Pratters]

Ye some bwoy want to get personal.

It's you who is calling me a clown and foolish and all sorts of things. So if any one is getting personal, it's you.

 

[Shri]

Yeah

 

[aussie]

If most of what you have seen of Sehwag is Indian home tests, how can you assess him on fast, bouncier pitches abroad where there is more swing movement.

Sir you aint reading properly at all.

All cricket series from around the world amongst the top 8 teams can be seen by skysports viewers in England. (Except NZ, PAK, SRI home series if ENG aren't touring, but this can alter).

I have seen all of Sehwag's innings or hundreds on overseas pitches excpet the tour to NZ 02/03. I saw him in ENG 2002, in AUS 03/04 & 07/08, in WI 02, 06 (which i just said), SA 05/06, PAK 05/06 & highlights of his debut hundred (which i already mentioned).

But at the same time, not all of those overseas wickets have had bowler friendly wickets. AUS 04/05, ENG 05/06 & SA 07/08 have had bowler friendly wickets which they have exposed Sehwag which i have gone through before.

 

[Pratters]

Sir you aint reading properly at all.

All cricket series from around the world amongst the top 8 teams can be seen by skysports viewers in England. (Except NZ, PAK, SRI home series if ENG aren't touring, but this can alter).

I have seen all of Sehwag's innings or hundreds on overseas pitches excpet the tour to NZ 02/03. I saw him in ENG 2002, in AUS 03/04 & 07/08, in WI 02, 06 (which i just said), SA 05/06, PAK 05/06 & highlights of his debut hundred (which i already mentioned).

But at the same time, not all of those overseas wickets have had bowler friendly wickets. AUS 04/05, ENG 05/06 & SA 07/08 have had bowler friendly wickets which they have exposed Sehwag which i have gone through before.

He didn't fail in West Indies and Australia. He only failed in England (against a top notch attack) and South Africa where most batsmen fail. Don't see what the huge fuss is over here. In NZ he failed in one series which was marred by bowler friendly pitches in 2002/03 and has not been able to do the goods there but then most batsmen don't average highly in NZ.

Repeatedly Sehwag has shown he can play swing (like in England) early in his career and decent pace bowling. Against top quality pace, most people are suspect.

 

[aussie]

It's you who is calling me a clown and foolish and all sorts of things. So if any one is getting personal, it's you.

Dont play smart with me, you trying to punk shottas. You are trying to descrit what i saying by saying "you dont believe i have seen the test matches i am talking about", basically calling me a liar. While questioning whether i actually have a life, if i actually watched all the games i am speaking of. Thats personal & has nothing to do with this cricket discussion.

 

[Pratters]

Dont play smart with me, you trying to punk shottas. You are trying to descrit what i saying by saying "you dont believe i have seen the test matches i am talking about", basically calling me a liar. While questioning whether i actually have a life, if i actually watched all the games i am speaking of. Thats personal & has nothing to do with this cricket discussion.

Chillllllllllll.

 

[Shri]

Yeah

 

[aussie]

West Indies and Australia did not have bowler friendly tracks.

Bridgetown 2002 & both Kingston 02 & 06 (where Sehwag failed) where bowler friendly. Check it back.

I have always said on his AUS tours the tracks weren't bowler friendly nor was any of the attacks that special. If you bothered to follow the debate instead tkaing cheap shots you would have seen me say this.

He only failed in England (against a top notch attack) and South Africa where most batsmen fail.

By considered the 2002 England attack a top notch attack, it is clear to me you dont follow English cricket. Neither one of Hoggard, Flintoff, Harmison, Jones had peaked until the 2004 WI tour.

Plus i dont have the statistical evidence to back up whether most batsmen fail in SA. Although since readmission they have always been difficult for opposition batsmen. But on IND tour SA 05/06 Sehwag was exposed technically.

Good batsmen have scored runs againts the quality SA attacks at home. Anwar did in 97/98 & AUS did earlier this year.

Don't see what the huge fuss is over here. In NZ he failed in one series which was marred by bowler friendly pitches in 2002/03 and has not been able to do the goods there but then most batsmen don't average highly in NZ.

That maybe the case. But in the Wellington test i spoke of before. Check who made runs Dravid. Similar sitatuon repeated itself in Kingston. Bowler friendly deck Sehwag fails, Dravid the proven batsman in all conditions stands up. In this same series Sehwag almost set a test record of scoring a hunded before lunch, so that contrasting change when conditions become bowler friendly clearly proves what i am saying.

Repeatedly Sehwag has shown he can play swing (like in England) early in his career and decent pace bowling.

As aforementioned that ENG attack in the nottingham test was NOT test quality & did not expose Sehwag technically. Explain to me then why Hoggard didn't get Sehwag out then, but when he came to IND in 2005/06 he owned Sehwag?

Against top quality pace, most people are suspect.

Yes. But the best players have being able to show adaptability in all conditions, not just being able to smoke attacks (very good or poor) on flat wickets. Which has been the story of Sehwag's career.

 

[Pratters]

By considered the 2002 England attack a top notch attack, it is clear to me you dont follow English cricket. Neither one of Hoggard, Flintoff, Harmison, Jones had peaked until the 2004 WI tour.

I didn't mean the 2002 English attack. Read properly please. He did show in 2002 that he can play swing though.

 

[Prince EWS]

Dont play smart with me

That'd be like playing water polo with an anchor.

 

[aussie]

I didn't mean the 2002 English attack.

Which ENG attack you talking about then, since he has only played a test series in ENG once.

Read properly please. He did show in 2002 that he can play swing though

I answer this question of yours before. But its clear you dont wish to agree with it.

Firstly If you followed the career of the ENG pace attack you would know that likes of Hoggard, Harmo, Freddie did not PEAK as bowlers until WI 2004. Before then they always where average/poor.

Secondly as i said i did swing on that first morning. But the ENG bowlers did not have the ability to trouble Sehwag technically with deliveries that swing into his pad like what AUS did in 2004, SA in 06/07 & 08/09 & ENG 05/06, WI @ Kingston 06 (although it wasn't a good attack, but it was the bowler friendly deck & the WI exposed his technical flaw).

Hoggard & Cork are outswing bowlers in 2002. If you remember when Hoggard learnt to inswing the ball later in his career, he had Sehwag in all sorts of problems in 05/06

 

[aussie]

That'd be like playing water polo with an anchor.

Say what you mean & mean what you say. NO indirect chat.

 

[Prince EWS]

Say what you mean & mean what you say. NO indirect chat.

!!

Yes sir.

 

[Pratters]

Which ENG attack you talking about then, since he has only played a test series in ENG once.

O is that so? My mistake then.

 

[Shri]

Yeah

 

[Sir Alex]

The last page is hilarious...

 

[Faisal1985]

Nice debate....................i voted Anwar....

 

[Cruxdude]

That maybe the case. But in the Wellington test i spoke of before. Check who made runs Dravid. Similar sitatuon repeated itself in Kingston. Bowler friendly deck Sehwag fails, Dravid the proven batsman in all conditions stands up. In this same series Sehwag almost set a test record of scoring a hunded before lunch, so that contrasting change when conditions become bowler friendly clearly proves what i am saying.

In the India vs West Indies match that you mentioned Lara also didn't score many. Can we conclude from that Lara was not good on tough tracks?

From the same New Zealand series check out the ODI scores.

6th ODI: New Zealand v India at Auckland, Jan 11, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

The next highest score to Sehwag's 112 is extras 25.

In this game 2nd ODI: New Zealand v India at Napier, Dec 29, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

Here the next highest score to his 108 is 24.

 

[aussie]

In the India vs West Indies match that you mentioned Lara also didn't score many. Can we conclude from that Lara was not good on tough tracks?

Ha of course not. Lara is a legend & has cleary proven againts the greatest fast bowler in testing conditions. No comparison with Sehwag whatsoever.

From the same New Zealand series check out the ODI scores.

6th ODI: New Zealand v India at Auckland, Jan 11, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

The next highest score to Sehwag's 112 is extras 25.

In this game 2nd ODI: New Zealand v India at Napier, Dec 29, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

Here the next highest score to his 108 is 24.

You showed me this before & as i told you then. Let him do it tests, since ODI form & performances doesn't equal test success.

 

[funnygirl]

I dedicate this innings of Sehwag to you aussie.(yeah I know Anwar would have scored 400 runs already ).But still for the sake of poor Sehwag,please accept this dedication