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Atul Sharma

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Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Why do all the Indian fans have to get up in arms about anyone criticising the Indian team or an Indian player? It happens. Deal with it, and grow up. It's pretty juvenile. It's not even like India is remotely the best team in the world.
I honestly believe that had Atul Sharma not been Indian, people would have not been reacted all up in arms like they have in this thread.

Its just a nature of this board. Its overcompensating the fact that some Indian fans on this board (believe me, there used to be so many more around 2004/06 - anyone remember the India vs. Pak series threads?) have hyped Irfan Pathan and other Indian players up in the past.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
"Apologies, I will not get in the way of you criticising (or actually getting visibly pissed off) anything related to Indian cricket ever again."

You're kidding right? Seems to me the only reason he was defending him was because he is Indian. Which is strange, because I never attacked Atul Sharma, or any other Indian at all.
I'm not even defending Atul Sharma to be fair, but the coach and his methods.

Pont isn't Indian.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
RP and Munaf Patel aren't useless. RP was there in England for us to win the series when Ishant hadn't made his debut. RP has been poor since then but in conditions abroad, he is a handful as any one can see even from the little T20 he is bowling in the IPL.

Munaf is not useless. He can extract bounce and can be troublesome on his day. He is just inconsistent but that doesn't measn that he can't play.

All these players add depth and bench strength to the squad. In these overload of cricket times bench strength cannot be underestimated. Some one is always injured and requires to be replaced.
“It’s wonderful to see Ishant Sharma, RP Singh and Munaf Patel grow as fast bowlers. We definitely have a very strong back-up of pacers in India. It is good to see people raising their hands, taking responsibility and performing.” - Zaheer Khan.
 

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Useless may be too strong but they're not very good. I wouldn't have them as first choice for the Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka or even the England side.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I honestly believe that had Atul Sharma not been Indian, people would have not been reacted all up in arms like they have in this thread.

Its just a nature of this board. Its overcompensating the fact that some Indian fans on this board (believe me, there used to be so many more around 2004/06 - anyone remember the India vs. Pak series threads?) have hyped Irfan Pathan and other Indian players up in the past.
IMO, whichever country he's from is irrelevant to the whole discussion - the whole concept of boosting an unknown that doesnt even play is likelyto be criticised wherever he's from
 

DaRick

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Useless may be too strong but they're not very good. I wouldn't have them as first choice for the Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka or even the England side.
Hmm...RP Singh is like a left-arm version of James Anderson circa 2003-2007/08. He can deliver one or two good spells, but most of the time he bowls dross (his Test ER is over 4) and is cannon fodder when the ball refuses to move. So no, not entirely useless, but I certainly don't rate him.

IMO, Munaf Patel is a little bit better. He's generally more accurate than RP Singh and is therefore less expensive overall. He can also be a threat when in the mood. However, he is horribly inconsistent and often plays like he doesn't give a ****.

Neither add anything with the bat or in the field.

But let's have a look at the squads:

1) Australia: Nope - IMO, Johnson, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Bollinger and Noffke would be ahead. EDIT: ...and Lee, but the point's a bit moot.

2) South Africa: Steyn and Ntini have the first two places sewn up, but Morne Morkel is not a hell of a lot better with the ball, whilst Albie's bowling doesn't strike me as being Test-class. Morne is a more talented batsman and a better fielder, though...so probably not. I can't say whether Parnell is better or not - he's played too little.

3) India: Could take the third seamer's position

4) Sri Lanka: Maybe as a third seamer (behind Vaas and Malinga)
EDIT: I forgot about Mendis. So the pitch would probably have to be an absolute greentop if either are going to be selected.

5) Pakistan: Obviously not if Pakistan has a full-strength team, but when was the last time that occured?

6) England: Well, if fit, Flintoff and Anderson are ahead, but beyond them, who knows? Broad isn't there yet, Amjad was a spray-gun in his only Test, Harmison has been past his peak for some years (bar the odd good performance) and Hoggard appears to have been pensioned off. Broad is a decent fielder and a very useful batsman, though.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot about Sidebottom, even though he's not been at his best lately.

7) New Zealand: Probably not ahead of Martin and O'Brien (as of late, anyway), but Southee is the most condition-reliant bowler I've ever seen and Shane Bond is unavailable right now. So maybe as a third seamer.
EDIT: I forgot about Mills and Franklin, but neither have been at their best lately.

8) West Indies: Edwards has improved of late and Jerome Taylor is ahead, too. They'd be a lock for third seamer, though.
 
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Here's the attacks I had in mind:

Sri Lanka- Vaas, Malinga, Murali, Mendis

Australia- Lee, Clark, Siddle, Johnson

England- Swann, Flintoff, Anderson, Broad/Sidebottom

South Africa- Harris, Steyn, Ntini, Parnell.

Wouldn't have Munaf or RP over anyone on that list personally.
 

DaRick

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Here's the attacks I had in mind:

Sri Lanka- Vaas, Malinga, Murali, Mendis

Australia- Lee, Clark, Siddle, Johnson

England- Swann, Flintoff, Anderson, Broad/Sidebottom

South Africa- Harris, Steyn, Ntini, Parnell.

Wouldn't have Munaf or RP over anyone on that list personally.
Agree mostly, which is why I had to re-edit my post extensively - my memory's failing on me. I'm not sure about Parnell, though. He has one good ODI performance behind him and that's about it. I also made a qualifier with regards to Sri Lanka.
 

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Would still rate Morne Morkel ahead of RP, despite his last series.
Me too, but I'd have Parnell ahead of both.

Agree mostly, which is why I had to re-edit my post extensively - my memory's failing on me. I'm not sure about Parnell, though. He has one good ODI performance behind him and that's about it. I also made a qualifier with regards to Sri Lanka.
Yeah but from here Munaf vs. Parnell looks like a choice between a player who has played tests and by and large been **** and a player who shows every sign of being excellent but hasn't yet been given a run.
 

chaminda_00

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It pretty common knowleadge in Sri Lanka that he has been fazed out and they are just waiting on the other guys to regain full fitness before he officially retires.
 

Flem274*

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Hmmm they'd have no hope in SA or Aussie. maybe SL, unsure on the seamer situation here. NZ I'd cry if they got in ahead of O'Brien or Martin and Franklin is overall way better anyway (not atm on form though), WI unsure, haven't they started playing a decent seamer called Richardson or something now? England no, Pakistan no. Anyone I've missed (I know I skipped India)?
 

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Hmmm they'd have no hope in SA or Aussie. maybe SL, unsure on the seamer situation here. NZ I'd cry if they got in ahead of O'Brien or Martin and Franklin is overall way better anyway (not atm on form though), WI unsure, haven't they started playing a decent seamer called Richardson or something now? England no, Pakistan no. Anyone I've missed (I know I skipped India)?
I'm sure they'd get into WI. Taylor and Edwards are both a class above but there's no third seamer I've seen play for them recently even approaching the quality of RP Singh or Munaf.

Pakistan i'm not sure about, they've picked some pretty poor seamers in recent times.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
No use comparing back ups with first choices of the teams. Compare them with the back ups of various teams and they stack up pretty decently.
 
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