Saeed Ajmal reported for chucking

[Son Of Coco]

Yep.

The issue is that you shouldn't be cleared for life I'd imagine. If something's changed then he needs to be tested again. Same goes for every other bowler. I'd rather see bowlers submitted for testing every time their action looks dodgy.

 

[duffer]

The issue is that you shouldn't be cleared for life I'd imagine. If something's changed then he needs to be tested again. Same goes for every other bowler. I'd rather see bowlers submitted for testing every time their action looks dodgy.

Probably but I'd imagine there would be a lot of variations from day to day with anyone's actions so being cleared per se is just a bit of a speed hump rather than anything else. Once you've been reported for it you're stuck with the label for the rest of your life.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Goes back to the question, if there was such a difference between a regular offie and the doosra why can't the batsmen pick it up?

Watson did the other night

 

[four_or_six]

The issue is that you shouldn't be cleared for life I'd imagine. If something's changed then he needs to be tested again. Same goes for every other bowler. I'd rather see bowlers submitted for testing every time their action looks dodgy.

Yeah, I agree. I was just confused initially because Ajmal said no-one had ever questioned his action before, so I was wondering why testing wasn't done at earlier stages.

 

[duffer]

Watson did the other night

Heh, gotta pay that.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Probably but I'd imagine there would be a lot of variations from day to day with anyone's actions so being cleared per se is just a bit of a speed hump rather than anything else.

Yeah there probably are, but that's where we go back to the 15 degrees being picked up by the naked eye I guess. If it looks dodgy then off you go again for more testing. At which point you're cleared. Then back you come. And so on.

 

[duffer]

Yeah there probably are, but that's where we go back to the 15 degrees being picked up by the naked eye I guess. If it looks dodgy then off you go again for more testing. At which point you're cleared. Then back you come. And so on.

Would really hate to see it become a revolving door type of thing though so realistically the ICC would probably have a limit to the number of iterations a guy can go through before they either give up or just say 'sorry can't be fixed'

 

[Son Of Coco]

Would really hate to see it become a revolving door type of thing though so realistically the ICC would probably have a limit to the number of iterations a guy can go through before they either give up or just say 'sorry can't be fixed'

I think they basically give up on it now. Until (and if ever) the player can be tested in real-time then there's always going to be this situation. I don't like seeing a player victimised but I think we've gone a little too far in the other direction trying to protect one player. If a player has a chronically poor action that constantly borders on illegal then I'm all for him going in for testing once a week if he has to. That would become slightly farcical though.

 

[duffer]

I'd say just giving up on the testing after a couple of token efforts(ie what they're doing now) is equally farcical to continuously testing and clearing the same guy, but all things considered is probably the better side of the compromise to be on.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I'd say just giving up on the testing after a couple of token efforts(ie what they're doing now) is equally farcical to continuously testing and clearing the same guy, but all things considered is probably the better side of the compromise to be on.

True, I'd be happy simply to see the ICC's token efforts acknowledged as such.

 

[chaminda_00]

Well, I'd like to walk up to some of the kids I coach and say "Go and tell mum and dad to get some medical tests done on you to prove you have a natural flex in your arm".

"OK Cam, but I think mum and dad wanted to spend the stimulus package money on a new TV. I think I just won't bowl/ play any more".

That's not practical at all. Maybe at higher grade levels, but what about people who play in the park (which is the vast majority in Australia at least)?

Do you never call anyone for throwing?

You asked me what happens at the levels below FC cricket and that effectively happens. Especially for guys like Bird and Murali that are a class above and have to potential to make it all the way.

For you average hack park cricketer, that will never be more then average. I'm sure they will get no balled, or be told during or after the game that can't bowl. Something that actually did happen in Bird case, at Taree youth rep level. But they came back and showed he had flex. Then he was able to continue on, then got it tested again once he NSW youth level, then Australian youth level and then again at NSW FC level.

But effective the test on any flex on his arm, was the first test he got done at basic park level.

Not saying you should never call anyone at park level or juniors. But if they are any good or their parents are very keen. It wouldn't surprise if they went down the same path as other have done before and tested their arms for flexs.

Would be very hard to throw someone out at park cricket if they had a flex and wanted to continue, or there was others that wanted them to continue playing. There too much evidence in there favour to show that they aren't throwing and it just an optically from the naked eye.

If Botha and Amjal both pass. The belief that you can see a bowler through the naked eye flexing more the 15 degrees may get thrown out the door as well. It may have to be based on live testing.

 

[chaminda_00]

Yeah there probably are, but that's where we go back to the 15 degrees being picked up by the naked eye I guess. If it looks dodgy then off you go again for more testing. At which point you're cleared. Then back you come. And so on.

That is 15 degrees actually is the level you can pick it up by the naked eye. There plenty of bowlers that look like they are throwing from the naked eye. But they get continually test and shown to be under 15 degrees.

 

[Fusion]

Saeed Ajmal fined for media comments

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ABU DHABI: Pakistani off-spinner Saeed Ajmal has been fined an undisclosed sum of his match fee and warned after his comments about Australian all-rounder Shane Watson, officials said Wednesday.

The 33-year-old spinner, whose bowling action was reported as illegal during the second One-day International against Australia on Friday, accused Watson, via the media, of
complaining to the on-field umpires about it.

The International Cricket Council (ICC) subsequently announced that Saeed Ajmal's suspect doosra delivery had been reported by the umpires.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) director operations Zakir Khan said team manager Yawar Saeed conducted an inquiry into the comments.

"Ajmal violated the PCB code of conduct by giving interviews to the media without prior permission of the manager and his comments against other team's players were unacceptable," Khan told AFP, without giving the amount of the fine.

As well as the PCB's punishment, Ajmal can also be penalised by the ICC for his comments which are a violation under their code of conduct.

Australian skipper Michael Clarke has denied Watson or any of his players approached the umpires to complain about Ajmal's action.

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[Jono]

Deserved the fine, shouldn't have come out and said it in the media. No need for that.

 

[Son Of Coco]

That is 15 degrees actually is the level you can pick it up by the naked eye. There plenty of bowlers that look like they are throwing from the naked eye. But they get continually test and shown to be under 15 degrees.

I think that's what I said

There aren't plenty, not in the grand scheme of things. They're shown to be under 15 degrees in the test...not at the moment they were reported. But there's nothing that can be done about that at the moment.

As for live testing...if that was possible, they'd be doing it now I think. It's the ideal solution.

 

[chaminda_00]

I think that's what I said

There aren't plenty, not in the grand scheme of things. They're shown to be under 15 degrees in the test...not at the moment they were reported. But there's nothing that can be done about that at the moment.

As for live testing...if that was possible, they'd be doing it now I think. It's the ideal solution.

How can you be sure they were over 15 degrees when they were reported. When majority come back to be shown under 15 degrees after testing. The only player so far that has done through the process of being reported and testing and was shown to be over 15 degrees was Razzaq. The rest even though they were meant to be over 15 degrees if they were seen to have a bend via the naked eye, have come back to be shown under 15 degrees.

 

[Son Of Coco]

How can you be sure they were over 15 degrees when they were reported. When majority come back to be shown under 15 degrees after testing. The only player so far that has done through the process of being reported and testing and was shown to be over 15 degrees was Razzaq. The rest even though they were meant to be over 15 degrees if they were seen to have a bend via the naked eye, have come back to be shown under 15 degrees.

You can't, you can't be sure they were under either. That was my point. All you can be sure of is that when they were tested they were either over or under according to the results.

 

[chaminda_00]

You can't, you can't be sure they were under either. That was my point. All you can be sure of is that when they were tested they were either over or under according to the results.

So once the results come back and say they are under 15 degrees. Do you go back and continue to re-rest them over and over again. If they are precieved to be throwing as per the naked eye. It just seems players are getting tested over and over again, even if they have been previously tested.

 

[Burgey]

So once the results come back and say they are under 15 degrees. Do you go back and continue to re-rest them over and over again. If they are precieved to be throwing as per the naked eye. It just seems players are getting tested over and over again, even if they have been previously tested.

Personally, at the top level I don't see a problem with that, provided it isn't after every test or ODI series.

 

[Son Of Coco]

So once the results come back and say they are under 15 degrees. Do you go back and continue to re-rest them over and over again. If they are precieved to be throwing as per the naked eye. It just seems players are getting tested over and over again, even if they have been previously tested.

Yes, because the system as it stands requires that. As I said earlier, we've solved the problem of testing accurately to see what the flex is, but the major part of the problem - what a player does during the game - is still the same as it ever was.