Saeed Ajmal reported for chucking

[James]

Hasn't he just been "reported" for checking? Doesn't mean he's actually a chucker. Just means an ICC committee need to take a closer look at him right?

 

[social]

I'm not sure lodging a formal complaint as per ICC process equates to having a cry during a match to the umpires, which is where I think he's stepping over the line between concentrating about playing the game and wanting to officiate it for himself.

Reality is that experienced players generally have a fair idea whether a bowler's action is dodgy or not (........ waits for Richard's rant) and Watson was obviously pissed that a guy with that action was being allowed to bowl - not great but sort of understandable

Biggest problem I have with the new laws are that the incentive for ensuring that a youngster "bowls" with a legitimate looking action have been removed at the lower levels. Seems to me that coaches are simply ignoring the issue and allowing the authorities to decide if/when the player makes it to the highest level

IMO, until this is addressed, there'll be more spinners copying the actions of successful guys like Murali/Harby and the proliferation of horrible looking actions will simply increase

 

[Julian87]

Murali, Bhaji, Botha, Ajmal....the Aussies really don't like it when spinners do well against them...

They don't complain when they have a legitimate action.

See Anyone complaining about Afridi's action when he got 6 for?

 

[Julian87]

I think his action needs to be looked at but also thnk a fellow pro going out of his way to potentially screw another one's career like that is a dick move of the highest order. If he wants to report people tell him to go become an umpire.

Even if they believe the other is not playing within the rules of the game?

 

[four_or_six]

Watson has been a bit naive here. He should know by now that standard practice is when teams don't like what has gone on on the field with an Aussie, they air it all in the press. It has happened loads of times in the last couple of years, and yet the Aussies seem to still play by 'what happens on the field, stays on the field'. It has been a cunning plan by opposition teams in response to Aussie sledging.

Anyway, not sure I'm too bothered by Watson having a rant. He aimed by far the biggest one for himself when he got out in the second match. He seems to be feeling the pressure of the situation of mounting a last-gasp attempt on the T20/Ashes squads a bit too much, I think he needs to chill a little.

 

[DaRick]

Murali, Bhaji, Botha, Ajmal....the Aussies really don't like it when spinners do well against them...

I believe that Botha was first reported in 2006.

Murali has never done well against Australia (bar one series at home).

 

[Son Of Coco]

Even if they believe the other is not playing within the rules of the game?

Exactly, the onus is on the player to have a good action. If he doesn't it's no one else's fault. Watson did carry on a bit, but it's infuriating when you're a batsman facing someone who looks bad.

Has anyone got proof the umpires weren't going to look into this matter before Watson said anything? Did a formal complaint come with the request to look into his action or was it all just based on Watson's apparent unhappiness?

 

[Jono]

Though its not ideal, I have no problems with players saying a word after the match (like NZ did with Shaun "kink in my elbow" Tait).

During the match is something else though. In the middle of an over is even more extreme.

 

[four_or_six]

Exactly, the onus is on the player to have a good action. If he doesn't it's no one else's fault. Watson did carry on a bit, but it's infuriating when you're a batsman facing someone who looks bad.

Has anyone got proof the umpires weren't going to look into this matter before Watson said anything? Did a formal complaint come with the request to look into his action or was it all just based on Watson's apparent unhappiness?

Of course the Ajmal was reported because Watson was unhappy. Three Pakistani umpires and one New Zealander are blatantly going to umpire the match based on what an Australian player is saying.

 

[Jono]

I don't think Ajmal was reported BECAUSE of Watson. He would have been reported anyway, action did look dodgy from first view.

But Watson could have at least waited after the match, instead of having a whinge during the over. Especially when its actually straight to the bowler's face.

 

[chaminda_00]

I wonder if Watson will use the same approach with one of his new state team mates next season. "Hey ump, Kato won't give me a bowl this season. Can you have a look at Birdy action so I can get a bowl."

 

[four_or_six]

I don't think Ajmal was reported BECAUSE of Watson. He would have been reported anyway, action did look dodgy from first view.

But Watson could have at least waited after the match, instead of having a whinge during the over.

So basically, he's a bit of a whinger sometimes, not someone intent on destroying the career of another player.

 

[four_or_six]

I wonder if Watson will use the same approach with one of his new state team mates next season. "Hey ump, Kato won't give me a bowl this season. Can you have a look at Birdy action so I can get a bowl."

Lol, that article saying how many state players who had complained to the umpires about Bird's action was quite a big number. About nine or ten?

 

[duffer]

So basically, he's a bit of a whinger sometimes, not someone intent on destroying the career of another player.

Making a public song and dance over a guy who he had no clue against is what? Like I said a dick move, there were better avenues to do this which many other teams have taken in the past. He thought he was above that or he just didn't give a ****.

 

[andyc]

Can't believe most of the **** in this thread. Watson didn't make a 'song and dance' about it like people have been saying, he said a few words during the game, that's it. We don't even know for sure what he was talking about, FFS. But yeah, I'm sure the four umpires reported the guy cause Watson may have said something about it. Not sure why Watson's the one copping the flac as well, it's not like he came out in the press and publicly criticised another player, like Amjal's done. If you've been called for throwing, you don't blame another player for 'tipping off' the officials, you blame yourself for having a ****house action in the first place.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Making a public song and dance over a guy who he had no clue against is what? Like I said a dick move, there were better avenues to do this which many other teams have taken in the past. He thought he was above that or he just didn't give a ****.

He was in the middle of a game, I don't think he thought about it at all to be honest. I think he was just pissed off. It's funny how we've all reacted to things on and off the field without thinking, but a player who some like and some don't is immediately assumed to have thought through things clearly on the field and come to a decision based on reason, and is thus an idiot...

Again, is there any evidence this is what caused the guy to be reported? Looking at his action, it was only a matter of time regardless of who said what. He's not just on his way to be reviewed because one person said something.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Can't believe most of the **** in this thread. Watson didn't make a 'song and dance' about it like people have been saying, he said a few words during the game, that's it. We don't even know for sure what he was talking about, FFS. But yeah, I'm sure the four umpires reported the guy cause Watson may have said something about it. Not sure why Watson's the one copping the flac as well, it's not like he came out in the press and publicly criticised another player, like Amjal's done. If you've been called for throwing, you don't blame another player for 'tipping off' the officials, you blame yourself for having a ****house action in the first place.

Hear hear

 

[Smudge]

And if I was playing against someone who I thought had a suspect action, and there were official umpires officiating - I'd have a word. Regardless of the level.

 

[four_or_six]

Going back to Amjal, and doosra's. Do people think there's logic in pre-emptive testing for bowlers who have visibly bent elbows? Eg, the country could have done the testing in advance so even if he has to go for an ICC check-up there is some solid evidence backing up these guys as they continue playing.

 

[honestbharani]

They don't complain when they have a legitimate action.

See Anyone complaining about Afridi's action when he got 6 for?

I actually happen to think he does chuck his quicker ball... That one that reaches 128 Ks per hour or something...