Johan Botha's action

[Uppercut]

I think the rules already give you said right. Although i'm not 100% so don't be surprised if Darrel Hair shows up on your doorstep to call you out on it.

 

[fredfertang]

Keep your arm straight.

We all know who chucks the ball: Murali, Botha, Shabbir, etc etc. Those who are cleared simply demonstrate by their continued presence in the game that the 15% rule is ludicrous.

James Kirtley?

 

[zaremba]

James Kirtley?

Ramrod straight

 

[fredfertang]

Must admit I can't disagree Mr Z - never quite worked out what all the fuss was about there

 

[Uppercut]

I've always wondered about Murali- how did he ever get to the level of playing international cricket? It's okay at that stage when we can say, "nah he's passed several scientifically rigorous tests including bowling with his arm in a brace, it's just an illusion" but at school, club and FC level why was he not called on it all the time? Seems strange to me.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I've always wondered about Murali- how did he ever get to the level of playing international cricket? It's okay at that stage when we can say, "nah he's passed several scientifically rigorous tests including bowling with his arm in a brace, it's just an illusion" but at school, club and FC level why was he not called on it all the time? Seems strange to me.

Have wondered this more than once myself. If a lad with Murali's action had turned up to play my school questions would've been asked. Whatever one's feelings, it looks shocking.

 

[fredfertang]

He may not have been so obvious when he was younger as he wouldn't have had to put so much action on the ball to be successful

 

[MendisNuffSaid]

Keep your arm straight.

We all know who chucks the ball: Murali, Botha, Shabbir, etc etc. Those who are cleared simply demonstrate by their continued presence in the game that the 15% rule is ludicrous.

Need a tissue? Clearly the greatest bowler in both major forms of the game. He doesn't need to prove himself, just let the non-subcontinental fans whinge as long as they want to.

 

[Top_Cat]

"(1) Don't chuck the ball.
(2) If it appears to zaremba that you've chucked it, zaremba shall have the right to shout at the telly "He's F-ing chucking it!"

Best rule.

 

[Furball]

Keep your arm straight.

We all know who chucks the ball: Murali, Botha, Shabbir, etc etc. Those who are cleared simply demonstrate by their continued presence in the game that the 15% rule is ludicrous.

Botha's action looks ****ing terrible. I've said that on numerous occasions.

However, he doesn't straighten his arm in his delivery AFAIC.

There's nothing in the rules to prevent anyone from bowling with a bent arm.

 

[social]

Have wondered this more than once myself. If a lad with Murali's action had turned up to play my school questions would've been asked. Whatever one's feelings, it looks shocking.

Would not have been any questions asked, it would've been a case of "Sorry but that's not quite how you do it. Come here and we'll teach you how to bowl not throw.''

 

[TT Boy]

 

[Jono]

Would not have been any questions asked, it would've been a case of "Sorry but that's not quite how you do it. Come here and we'll teach you how to bowl not throw.''

Yep, just like Aaron Bird.

 

[chaminda_00]

Yep, just like Aaron Bird.

Yeah at the end of day if you have the ability to be better then average, then more often then not people will let you keep bowling with your crap actions. It is only the average bowls that ever get caught out and told to fix their actions.

 

[social]

Yep, just like Aaron Bird.

Someone will always slip through the net (but even Bird has been sent to rehab more times than Amy Winehouse)

Some countries dont have a structured coaching environment for youngsters and therefore produce more players who dont fit the traditional technical mould - in some cases that's a fantastic thing in other cases it's an impediment

In Murali's case, his action "looks" so bad that I doubt whether he'd have survived junior cricket without any number of coaches trying to teach him how to "bowl" - some will say that's a good thing, others will say it's a travesty

 

[chaminda_00]

In Murali's case, his action "looks" so bad that I doubt whether he'd have survived junior cricket without any number of coaches trying to teach him how to "bowl" - some will say that's a good thing, others will say it's a travesty

I guess that why they tried to fix his action when he was at school, but once they realised he couldn't natural straighten his arm they let him go.

 

[zaremba]

Clearly the greatest bowler in both major forms of the game. He doesn't need to prove himself, just let the non-subcontinental fans whinge as long as they want to.

Your knee-jerk reaction is very wide of the mark.

1. I like and respect Murali a lot. He's quite obviously a great of the game. It's not his fault the rules have been moulded to suit him. I'm not suggesting he needs to "prove himself".

2. Since you're insinuating that I (or those that share my view) have some kind of anti-subcontinental bias, you might want to spend just a second reading the thread, and reflect on what I've written about Botha who, as far as I'm aware, is South African and not subcontinental. I've also commented in the past on the suspect actions of English and Australian players (including James Kirtley who plays for my County).

It's so depressing that some people are so small-minded that they can't tolerate criticism of "their" players without making allegations of bias.

 

[zaremba]

Botha's action looks ****ing terrible. I've said that on numerous occasions.

However, he doesn't straighten his arm in his delivery AFAIC.

There's nothing in the rules to prevent anyone from bowling with a bent arm.

I admit that this may be right - I've not seen a close analysis of it.

Paul Adams is a good example of bowling with a bent arm that stays bent. Never looked as though he was chucking it though.

 

[Uppercut]

1. I like and respect Murali a lot. He's quite obviously a great of the game. It's not his fault the rules have been moulded to suit him. I'm not suggesting he needs to "prove himself".

The rules weren't moulded to suit Murali. Murali had one of his deliveries banned and when they found out everyone chucked the rules were moulded to suit everyone else.

 

[chaminda_00]

The rules weren't moulded to suit Murali. Murali had one of his deliveries banned and when they found out everyone chucked the rules were moulded to suit everyone else.

Yeah a generation of fast bowlers coming through with supect actions under the old rules had nothing to do with the rule changes. The search for extra pace from fast bowlers and effects it had on actions was the main reason.