Can Steyn test the aussies ?

[Richard]

Haha then why are you the main person who gets into arguments > conducted a survey to find out have you

No, I just know far more about CW and its people than you do or ever will.

 

[aussie]

Only Anderson and Steyn of the bowlers in question are bowlers who particularly excel at the inswinger to the LHB. And the ball hasn't swung very much in Australia in recent years, so I don't expect him to be tested greatly there.

Even if it doesn't swing greatly, fact is Hayden is likely to face strong bowling attacks from ENG & SA and just doing well againts them should end all doubts his ability.

Well you haven't been looking hard enough then. Smith has barely been dismissed by an inswinger (or even a straight ball that doesn't swing, something he fell to once or twice in 2005/06 especially) in recent times.

I can't remember exact dismissals for the 2005/06 series vs Australia. But Anderson trapping him @ the Oval brought back some dangerous memories. Fact is i'm not convinced about Smith given his past record vs seamers in helpful conditions. Failing againts the Aussies this winter is not an option.

He hasn't actually, you could quite clearly tell that by the 2006/07 Ashes.

I saw no such thing, plus the ball hardly swung in the ashes conventionally or reverse except for Adelaide (Hoggard, Lee & McGrath) & a at times @ the MCG (Lee specifically) & a little at the SCG (McGrath in his final great test spell) during that first morning.

He had MUCH more testing conditions vs SA & even IND last Australian summer got more swing than England & Hayden stood stall.

No, he didn't. However, Franklin, Mills, Martin and Oram did, and such an attack is quite a handful on surfaces like those two.

I'll give you this one only if you are willing to acknowledge this effort by a BOND-les NZ if you do the same for Hayden againts a KHAN-less India vs Hayden...

Most to all left-handers struggle against the ball that swings sharply back into them. Smith, now, doesn't struggle to any massive degree against it, no more than most left-handers do.

Yes they all do, but Smith hasn't proven to be as i just said that he hasn't gotten over his weakness simply because since the last time he looked all at sea vs AUS in 05/06 he hasn't been tested againts a quality pace attack in testing condtions.

 

[Richard]

Even if it doesn't swing greatly, fact is Hayden is likely to face strong bowling attacks from ENG & SA and just doing well againts them should end all doubts his ability.

No, only if it swings will the two series' even be relevant.

I can't remember exact dismissals for the 2005/06 series vs Australia. But Anderson trapping him @ the Oval brought back some dangerous memories. Fact is i'm not convinced about Smith given his past record vs seamers in helpful conditions. Failing againts the Aussies this winter is not an option.

That ball would have got just about any left-hander out. Basing anything much on that would be wholly unwise. In 2005/06 against Australia, I can only remember him being lbw to inswingers once in 10 innings.

I saw no such thing, plus the ball hardly swung in the ashes conventionally or reverse except for Adelaide (Hoggard, Lee & McGrath) & a at times @ the MCG (Lee specifically) & a little at the SCG (McGrath in his final great test spell) during that first morning.

He had MUCH more testing conditions vs SA & even IND last Australian summer got more swing than England & Hayden stood stall.

Not against SA in 2005/06, at all, but against India in 2007/08, yes, and that alone (even though far from the magnificence that some have so often tried to convey on him) was more than he'd ever done in his career previously.

Had Rudi Koetzen been able to give plumb lbws out England, even though swing wasn't enormously prevalent in 2006/07, would have had Hayden's number throughout the series.

I'll give you this one only if you are willing to acknowledge this effort by a BOND-les NZ if you do the same for Hayden againts a KHAN-less India vs Hayden...

As you see above, I do to an extent. However, NZ's attacks on the pitches in the First and Third Tests in SA in 2005/06 >>> India's in Aus in 2007/08.

Yes they all do, but Smith hasn't proven to be as i just said that he hasn't gotten over his weakness simply because since the last time he looked all at sea vs AUS in 05/06 he hasn't been tested againts a quality pace attack in testing condtions.

Well, as I say, he has actually. And while he's not scored as many as I'd like, he has scored some.

 

[grapedo]

No, I just know far more about CW and its people than you do or ever will.

Does this make sense to anyone ?

 

[grapedo]

And BTW RIchard, Smith and Hayden both have strengths and weaknesses that neither have yet conquered so quit your pointless arguing this is a thread about Dale Steyn and his ability to test australia not about whether Smith or Hayden have conquered technical problems so either keep on topic or start a different thread.

 

[Richard]

Oh, go and get banned already.

 

[grapedo]

Oh, go and get banned already.

A truly enlighting post thanks for putting your 2 cents worth in rich.

 

[Rant0r]

i reckon he can, i'm eagerly anticipating the visit

 

[grapedo]

Oh, go and get banned already.

Thought I was being ingnored till my permanent ban that was a short protest

 

[Rant0r]

And BTW RIchard, Smith and Hayden both have strengths and weaknesses that neither have yet conquered so quit your pointless arguing this is a thread about Dale Steyn and his ability to test australia not about whether Smith or Hayden have conquered technical problems so either keep on topic or start a different thread.

ricky ponting has weaknesses too, pushing hard onto the front foot, yet he averages 56.

yes hayden struggles against genuine swing, but who doesn't ? and who can produce it often enough to test him ? he seems to cope more often than not, but can be sorted out by top sustained bowling like khan's.

i do recall smith having problems with lee and hoggard, but i'm talking 3-4 years ago, i haven't seen any footage of him recently, will be an interesting summer.

 

[grapedo]

ricky ponting has weaknesses too, pushing hard onto the front foot, yet he averages 56.

yes hayden struggles against genuine swing, but who doesn't ? and who can produce it often enough to test him ? he seems to cope more often than not, but can be sorted out by top sustained bowling like khan's.

i do recall smith having problems with lee and hoggard, but i'm talking 3-4 years ago, i haven't seen any footage of him recently, will be an interesting summer.

And what does that have to do with dale steyn and his abilty to test the aussies ? go to the smith v hayden thread if you want to discuss that. Thanks very much.

 

[Rant0r]

And what does that have to do with dale steyn and his abilty to test the aussies ? go to the smith v hayden thread if you want to discuss that. Thanks very much.

settle down tiger, you might break your keyboard

i believe that steyn will test hayden (who player for australia) with his natural inswing (to the left hander)

i also believe that steyn is quicker than lee and johnson

is steyn pronounced 'stain' or 'stine' ?

have i mentioned steyn enough ?

 

[grapedo]

lol yeah soz mate i was a bit harsh on ya lol. Yes it is pronounced Stain howver you may here the australian commentators refer to him as stine which is a mistake.

 

[Rant0r]

lol yeah soz mate i was a bit harsh on ya lol. Yes it is pronounced Stain howver you may here the australian commentators refer to him as stine which is a mistake.

yeah well it might be advised to call him 'stine' in australia, dunno how well 'stain' would go down :P

 

[Richard]

yes hayden struggles against genuine swing, but who doesn't ? and who can produce it often enough to test him ? he seems to cope more often than not, but can be sorted out by top sustained bowling like khan's.

Can be sorted by any real inswing at all. A great many bowlers in the 1990s would have and did produce such bowling and had Hayden played all his cricket then and none after the English summer of 2001 he'd never have had a hope in hell of being a Test-class batsman.

 

[grapedo]

Can be sorted by any real inswing at all. A great many bowlers in the 1990s would have and did produce such bowling and had Hayden played all his cricket then and none after the English summer of 2001 he'd never have had a hope in hell of being a Test-class batsman.

Exactly so Styen will own katich and hayden. As well as ponting as he cannot play the sort of line that steyn bowls as we saw with sharma last summer. And Hussey will also be exposed if he has to face the new ball with steyn. This really excites me

 

[aussie]

Can be sorted by any real inswing at all. A great many bowlers in the 1990s would have and did produce such bowling and had Hayden played all his cricket then and none after the English summer of 2001 he'd never have had a hope in hell of being a Test-class batsman.

. Really yo, you need to keep these stubborn views to yourself. Stop posting them around like if some sort of FACT.

 

[Rant0r]

Can be sorted by any real inswing at all. A great many bowlers in the 1990s would have and did produce such bowling and had Hayden played all his cricket then and none after the English summer of 2001 he'd never have had a hope in hell of being a Test-class batsman.

hoggard was the only one to do it with something approaching consistency against langer and hayden... where is he again ? but can't really think of anyone else, steyn is made for this.

 

[grapedo]

. Really yo, you need to keep these stubborn views to yourself. Stop posting them around like if some sort of FACT.

yeah he does. He dosen't seem to know what freedom of speech means either as he jumps down everyone's throat who don't agree with him.

 

[grapedo]

Or maybe he does accept he gets the same meaning as Saddam Hussein and Robert Mugabe get out of it