Road to IPL 2009.

[G.I.Joe]

Daredevils have gone from best opening bowling combination to well, nothing.

I guess Yo and Sangwan will be opening the bowling for them?

 

[Precambrian]

Maybe they'll pick someone in transfer.

 

[Arjun]

Daredevils have gone from best opening bowling combination to well, nothing.

I guess Yo and Sangwan will be opening the bowling for them?

There's Mitchell Johnson who will be new to IPL, so they can snare him quickly. He's fast, aggressive and also very useful even without the ball. There's also the accurate, reliable, Stuart Clark, although they need to act quicker and harder before Chennai or Bangalore stick to him. This team has spent a lot less than most others, so they can use their reserves to buy out Ishant Sharma from Kolkata, where he's struggling for form.

 

[G.I.Joe]

There's Mitchell Johnson who will be new to IPL, so they can snare him quickly. He's fast, aggressive and also very useful even without the ball. There's also the accurate, reliable, Stuart Clark, although they need to act quicker and harder before Chennai or Bangalore stick to him. This team has spent a lot less than most others, so they can use their reserves to buy out Ishant Sharma from Kolkata, where he's struggling for form.

The reserve funds aren't carried on from what I heard.

 

[Arjun]

The reserve funds aren't carried on from what I heard.

I wonder how much profit they've made last season- maybe they can use it to buy out Sharma. If McGrath doesn't return, what happens to the money? They would be better served spending that extra amount on Sharma instead of another overseas player- theirs are not much good bar McGrath.

 

[G.I.Joe]

I wonder how much profit they've made last season- maybe they can use it to buy out Sharma. If McGrath doesn't return, what happens to the money? They would be better served spending that extra amount on Sharma instead of another overseas player- theirs are not much good bar McGrath.

I'm truly confused with regards to the transfer rules. Doesn't help that Modi is treating this like a backyard game, making up the rules as we go along. I really hope there's a cap in place, otherwise it'll be a mockery of epic proportions.

 

[four_or_six]

KKR to sign Henriques, and potentially Smith and Warner too. The deals are pretty big.

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May be a new trend... sign a couple of big name players and top up with some cheaper youngsters. I hope these Indian teams are putting as much money into developing young Indian players as buying in young Aussies.

 

[Arjun]

KKR to sign Henriques, and potentially Smith and Warner too. The deals are pretty big.

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May be a new trend... sign a couple of big name players and top up with some cheaper youngsters. I hope these Indian teams are putting as much money into developing young Indian players as buying in young Aussies.

The BCCI are trying what they can to develop the game in India, but these franchise owners are not bothered. They only want to create better visibility and presence of their brands.

 

[Precambrian]

The BCCI are trying what they can to develop the game in India, but these franchise owners are not bothered. They only want to create better visibility and presence of their brands.

I agree. But I am flummoxed at the thought that fly-by-night 20-20 leagues like the IPL can "develop" talent, esp test cricket talent.

 

[Arjun]

I agree. But I am flummoxed at the thought that fly-by-night 20-20 leagues like the IPL can "develop" talent, esp test cricket talent.

The IPL is not another "fly-by-night 20-20 league", the standard of cricket is a lot higher than several international events. We've seen players who have done well in IPL do well for their national teams later on, and successful players have also had a good IPL. Some teams (especially Australia) have just tapped it better. India can also get some good limited-overs talent out of this, but the IPL should never be used to determine Test selections. Instead, the IPL model should be integrated into the FC/List-A circuit to make it more competitive and the standard higher.

 

[four_or_six]

I was intrigued mainly because of how much the deal was. Though I guess $300 000 is performance related. It would be interesting how much the base deal is.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

KKR to sign Henriques, and potentially Smith and Warner too. The deals are pretty big.

Love Warner's comment:

Warner insisted that representing his country in Test cricket remained his primary objective. "The money doesn't matter. The biggest thing for me is play for my state, and hopefully my country," Warner said. "If players are getting all this money thrown at them and they decide to go, they're basically ****ting on their county in my opinion."

Surprised that they'd print that tbh.

 

[Precambrian]

The IPL is not another "fly-by-night 20-20 league", the standard of cricket is a lot higher than several international events. We've seen players who have done well in IPL do well for their national teams later on, and successful players have also had a good IPL. Some teams (especially Australia) have just tapped it better. India can also get some good limited-overs talent out of this, but the IPL should never be used to determine Test selections. Instead, the IPL model should be integrated into the FC/List-A circuit to make it more competitive and the standard higher.

Standard of cricket? Dear Arjun, don't tell me you've too got your mind warped by the 20-20 craze. I enjoyed IPL, much like I enjoy a masala movie and forgets it immediately afterwards. But that was it.

Good quality cricket, according to me, can never be seen in a 20-20, and if at all it is seen. then it won't be a good 20-20 in the entertainment aspect.

We've seen players who have done well in IPL do well for their national teams later on, and successful players have also had a good IPL. Some teams (especially Australia) have just tapped it better.

Successful players always are successful at all forms of cricket. However I would like to see a list of guys who made their international ough by performing in the IPL.

 

[Uppercut]

Successful players always are successful at all forms of cricket. However I would like to see a list of guys who made their international ough by performing in the IPL.

Don't think it's about seeing who performed well in the IPL and picking them for tests, more that it gives quality players a platform to push for their selection where everyone can see them.

 

[Precambrian]

Don't think it's about seeing who performed well in the IPL and picking them for tests, more that it gives quality players a platform to push for their selection where everyone can see them.

It is unfortunate, because it would mean that selectors are no longer following domestic FC cricket.

 

[Uppercut]

It is unfortunate, because it would mean that selectors are no longer following domestic FC cricket.

I don't know about India (from what I've heard it's much the same) but in England FC cricket is notoriously difficult to follow. All a selector can do is read statistics and watch one or two FC matches of each club per season. Judging players on such small samples leads to balls-ups on the scale of the Darren Pattinson incident. They have to look at other forms of cricket too, and top-quality T20 cricket is just as good as domestic-level 50-over cricket for judging a player's test capabilities IMO.

The important thing is not just to look at who does well, but how they do well. Sohail Tanvir was a successful T20 bowler who obviously isn't well suited to tests, Shane Watson was one who I'd say looked like he could be an excellent fifth option in tests. Players in ODIs who bowl medium-pace defensive lines in the middle overs, or rely heavily on well-disguised slower balls, probably aren't as likely to make the cut in tests. Likewise left-armers who can only move the ball away from the right-hander.

 

[Precambrian]

I don't know about India (from what I've heard it's much the same) but in England FC cricket is notoriously difficult to follow. All a selector can do is read statistics and watch one or two FC matches of each club per season. Judging players on such small samples leads to balls-ups on the scale of the Darren Pattinson incident. They have to look at other forms of cricket too, and top-quality T20 cricket is just as good as domestic-level 50-over cricket for judging a player's test capabilities IMO.

The important thing is not just to look at who does well, but how they do well. Sohail Tanvir was a successful T20 bowler who obviously isn't well suited to tests, Shane Watson was one who I'd say looked like he could be an excellent fifth option in tests. Players in ODIs who bowl medium-pace defensive lines in the middle overs, or rely heavily on well-disguised slower balls, probably aren't as likely to make the cut in tests. Likewise left-armers who can only move the ball away from the right-hander.

I get your point. However I'd prefer 1 Darren Pattison every 2 or 3 seasons than 3 Gonies every year.

 

[Uppercut]

I get your point. However I'd prefer 1 Darren Pattison every 2 or 3 seasons than 3 Gonies every year.

Unfortunately,

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All have played for England in the past two years.

 

[Precambrian]

Yeah they all have, and I disagree with some above like Broad (developing into a fine bowler), Bopara (hardly given a fair run) etc. Some selections were blunders not because of "good FC records fooling", but failure to read records properly.

If 20-20 leagues are best platforms to find talent, then I disagree vehemently. A case in point is England's 20-20 squad for the WC 07.

 

[Uppercut]

Yeah they all have, and I disagree with some above like Broad (developing into a fine bowler), Bopara (hardly given a fair run) etc. Some selections were blunders not because of "good FC records fooling", but failure to read records properly.

If 20-20 leagues are best platforms to find talent, then I disagree vehemently. A case in point is England's 20-20 squad for the WC 07.

Nah, i'd never say that. It was just a general point that England make selectorial balls-ups far more often that once every two years.

Disagree regarding Broad for two reasons. His test bowling record is far, far, far worse than either Sajid Mahmood or Liam Plunkett, yet somehow he gets away with it because he can bowl reasonably straight (despite carrying no threat whatsoever). Secondly, even if is developing into a fine bowler, that doesn't justify picking him when he was ****.

Bopara was an awful pick precisely because he wasn't given a fair run, after being picked for the most awkard tour imaginable and discarded immediately afterwards.