***Official*** India in Australia

[JBH001]

I think shortpitched was being sarcastic...

Stranger things have happened though, there aren't any homosexuals in Iran, for example.

You are being sarcastic, right?

 

[Ikki]

Are you trying to tell us something Kazo?

Haha, just that I'm Persian.

You are being sarcastic, right?

That's what the govt. says. Apparently, everybody is living in Paradise in Iran too.

 

[JBH001]

Ah, thought so - bit slow this morning. Have not had my coffee, yet.

Speaking of which...

 

[The Baconator]

BTW, what do people feel about Bollyline as the name for the scandal? Liking it a lot personally. Punning & a nod to cricket's (in)glorious past.

Probably better than whatever they'd just to stick -gate on the end of.

 

[Malleeboy]

How can some people be so sure that India would have won if the incorrect umpiring decisions were reveresed and claim the series should be 1-1? There seems to be a lot of Nostradamuses out there. If Australia had have been bowled on day1 then the Indian batsman would have been batting on a pitch with more life in it then what they did on day 2, whose to know how they would have gone?

Autralia's second innings would have also started earlier and given them better batting conditions. Keep in mid that Australia's 2nd dig was declared, after a flurry of runs and wickets as they chased quick runs to declare with. Having been 378 when the 5 wicket feel, and given the following. 1) India does not have the most potent bowling attack and has struggled to knock over the Aussie tale, which 2) isn't surpirsing given the last five have a combined FC av of 139 (or probably a slightly inflated combined Test av of 150). I think it would be reasonable to expect on the balance of probabilites that Australia's second innings if not rushed and if India had to bowl them out would have approached 500 or more.

India only suffered from 1 clealry discernable miscarriage in its 2nd dig but the victim was hardly scoring at any pace and would probably have just assisted in India batting out a draw. Being rolled for 210 is a poor show, given once the liveliness of the first day left this pitch was good for batting on and was still a good pitch on day 5. (Balls were not turning sideways or grubbing though.)

I think it is much more likely that the poor umpiring turned the match into an unlikely Australian victory, but whether the result without the poor umpiring would have been an Indian victory or a draw, given the number of variables is beyond rational analysis. (I can't stop patriotic irrationalism)

 

[social]

And this one too:




Just explaining why people are upset at Australia. Every team pretty much would have went up for the appeal (remember Dhoni did in England, and Pieterson was called back?).

See it live here

And how about showing previous frames where he caught the ball a foot off the ground?

This is seriously pathetic!

 

[neutralguy]

What seals the deal for me was their (Speed's/the ICC) insistence the day before that Bucknor would be standing in Perth. If they'd immediately announced of their own volition that Bucknor was being stood down, it would have been better, but the fact that their stance was clearly the opposite and they then reversed it completely within hours obviously implies maybe an ultimatum or two were delivered, and they reacted to that.

Anyhow, for people wanting to keep up with ongoing details...

Symonds Tried to Settle Monkey Row

Those T shirts being sold in India are fairly offputting, I have to say.

the ultimatum delivered to ICC was this by the england, which supported india.
http://www.espnstar.com/cricket/indvaus/newsdetails.cmd?id=7021366
I believe almost all the countries were against aussies in this issue.ICC had no choice but to change its stand.

 

[Malleeboy]

neutralguy,

I find the attitude of that news post hideously offensive. Basically celebrating that the independence of the officials is dead, that ICC should cow to the BCCI, who are now in charge of world cricket because they can sway the other subcontinent teams and every one else with their money. (Or am I being to emotive in reading it?)

 

[funnygirl]

TBH racism does exist in India .In that way we are the biggest hypocrites pretending otherwise .The clear divison among north indians and south indians .Other cast related issues are there .

But that cannot relate to each and every Indian and then have a conclusion that ''yes ,he is an Indian and he must be ''.

The trouble with players like Bhajji ,Sreesanth are ,they are born jerks,way too immature rather than racists .They can easily be misunderstood .

Having said that Bhajji deserves a punishment if he said that word.

 

[Malleeboy]

funnygirl,

I think in practically every nation there can be found racism somewhere in the present and especially in the past, I'll admit Australia does not have a great past nor are we immune from some problems now. However "Roy" is amongst the most popular player in Australia, especailly with the kids (my 5 year old likes him the best) I wouldn't find being called a monkey offensive ( I've even called my sons that on occasion) but Andrew has a particular view and Harbajhan was aware of that.

In India when on field abuse was alleged to occurr, Ponting was lambasted for not reporting it and therefore letting it fester and not getting it publically cleared up. Now he follows the correct procedure and gets attacked for highlighting it. The Australians followed the ICC procedure, if Proctor got it wrong it ain't their fault.

In 2005 Ashes Australia under Ponting was accused of being to friendly to the English and not being aggresive enough and that was the reason they lost. Now he is accused of being too aggresive.

 

[slugger]

different time, slightly different team and different opponent.. but same mistakes and same result...

Perth 2001
In the end, the effect of two controversial rulings from Zimbabwean umpire Ian Robinson on caught behind decisions against Steve Waugh and Jason Gillespie (1*) was inestimable. Waugh was on just 13, and the total at 4/203, when he moved back, tried to drive forcefully at Vettori (2/142), and appeared to top edge a catch to wicketkeeper Adam Parore.

Parore spoke this morning on radio and said its hard enough to get some of these players out once, but to have to get them out twice or 3 times in innings is tough on any team. He refered to players like hayden, waughs and pontings..

 

[Son Of Coco]

How much proof do you want? Almost all the players admit to copping severe (sometimes racial) abuse from the Australians at some point. Here's something from Mahanama:

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/95739.html

It seems racist sledging isn't only limited to cricket in Australia;

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/26/2127355.htm

If you want official proof of racist sledging, then obviously we'll hardly find much other than the Lehmann incident. But that was the only reported one. Almost all of the subcontinent cricketers have talked about severe abuse and even racial abuse from Australian players. Are you saying that they're making it up?

The issue is that the policy has always been to keep it on the field. You don't go around reporting it. So it's been kept on the field...until now. A stupid policy like that was always going to backfire, but who'd have thunk it'd be used against a subcontinental player?

Hell, even Langer admits that sledging goes way too far at times:

http://www.rediff.com/wc2007/2007/apr/16pont.htm

Do you honestly still think that the Aussies play within the spirit of the game?

Given the evidence that Australia's not the only country who indulges in this sort of behaviour, I'd say they're more or less playing within the spirit of the game as much as anyone else. Whether that's a good thing or not though is up to the officials.

 

[silentstriker]

And how about showing previous frames where he caught the ball a foot off the ground?

This is seriously pathetic!

Err, I am showing what the media are showing, not what I think happened.

 

[Top_Cat]

I'm sure someone has already asked this but what if every umpire on the ICC panel, when asked to replace Bucknor, declined to stand in the Perth Test as a protest against his treatment? Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what might have happened?

 

[funnygirl]

I'm sure someone has already asked this but what if every umpire on the ICC panel, when asked to replace Bucknor, declined to stand in the Perth Test as a protest against his treatment? Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what might have happened?

I would say India should stop playing cricket altogether in that case .

 

[Simon]

does anyone know if this India vs ACT game is a 2 or 3 day game? i know it was supposed to be a two dayer but i heard something yesterday about India requesting another day??? Would certainly stuff up grade cricket here if its a three dayer now as most of those guys have to finish matches that started last weekend.

 

[Johnners]

I'm sure someone has already asked this but what if every umpire on the ICC panel, when asked to replace Bucknor, declined to stand in the Perth Test as a protest against his treatment? Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what might have happened?

I'd LOL, then cry.

But I'd imagine it wouldn't be good, would expect the umpires/ICC to back down first though.

 

[pup11]

I'd LOL, then cry.

But I'd imagine it wouldn't be good, would expect the umpires/ICC to back down first though.

Well it would be funny situation nonetheless, but the ICC nor the umpires have the balls to stand upto the BCCI like that, but its not good at all for the game if the Asian block starts to pick and choose the umpires, before they know they might run out of options.

 

[funnygirl]

Well it would be funny situation nonetheless, but the ICC nor the umpires have the balls to stand upto the BCCI like that, but its not good at all for the game if the Asian block starts to pick and choose the umpires, before they know they might run out of options.

Do u really think that this was the only test where India got harsh decisions ?

If we are against a particular umpire ,do u really bothered to think what could be the reason ?

People keep on blaming India is selecting umpires ,bullying them , for a couple of mistakes in one test ? No, thats not the reality .Not based on one test as well .

And how much we suffered in the hands of Bucknor ,only we know .We can't prove that he is baised against us .But he was /is .

The real villain here is ICC for trusting a over the hill umpire ,it was their duty to change him .Instead they kept on with him.

Things are reached in such a level that they were forced to remove him.

so much of sytmpathies for Bucknor who is a victim in the hands of BCCI the bully ?Is it true in the actual sense ?

 

[Johnners]

No it's not the only test India has had harsh decisions, but neither are India the only team to receive harsh decisions.