Your Top Ten One-Day International BOWLERS of all-time

[Fiery]

Ummm, not nearly enough thought into this for me to be completely happy with it but:
1. McGrath
2. Akram
3. Garner
4. Ambrose
5. Waqar
6. Murali
7. Pollock
8. Lee
9. Bond
10. Lillee

Can't believe I can't find a spot for Warne, and Saqlain's record is also v. good.

It's not a bad list for someone who hasn't put any thought into it

 

[Matt79]

Not no thought, just not nearly enough for me to be comfortable that its right. Plus I just plaguarised everyone else's to make it look like I know what I'm talking about!

 

[Fiery]

Not no thought, just not nearly enough for me to be comfortable that its right. Plus I just plaguarised everyone else's to make it look like I know what I'm talking about!

Disappointed no Hadlee there of course but then everyone knows I think the sun shines out of his ass....which is a possibility!

 

[Matt79]

If only he and Imran had had children together... you and BhupinderSingh would have so much in common to talk about!

 

[Fiery]

If only he and Imran had had children together... you and BhupinderSingh would have so much in common to talk about!

 

[Matt79]

 

[Goughy]

canada did not play as east africa Zimbabwe was known as east africa. Sri Lanka was also a minnow by then. I took Lillie and Thommo as an example, because they were the main threats for minnow sides during world cups.

Walsh's 5-1 against SL, Kapil Dev's 175 against Zim, Viv RIchards 189 against SL are few examples of minnow bashing. People only get excited about minnow bashing when the talk is about Murali.

Hypocritical!

Canada I meant Kenya. Slip of the pen. Wasnt Zim though

But the fact doesnt change that the players you mention didnt play the small sides with any regularity and not enough to impact their stats to the degree certain current players do. And it certainly doesnt change the fact that your example of Lillee isnt impacted by their games against minnows (5 total against Zim and SL in his case).

I wouldnt have brought Murali specifially into this but as you are defending him, he averages under 18 against 8 Teams. They are Zim, UAE, Ireland, Holland, Kenya, Bermuda, Bangladesh, Canada and that his record is improved by dominating these small teams.

 

[Migara]

Canada I meant Kenya. Slip of the pe. Wasnt Zim though

East Africa was a set of countries with Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania and Zimbabwe. They had a combined team then.

 

[Perm]

Why would you be wrong? Any moreso than any other bowler?

Because Warne's statistics do not come close to comparing to the likes of Hadlee, Holding, Ambrose, Marshall, Chatfield, Pollock, Muralitharan, McGrath, Imran and Wasim. No doubt you'll point to Warne's World Cup record, but even it isn't as good as some of the bowlers I have listed.

If only Joel Garner had played two more games then in my mind he would be undoubtedly the best ODI bowler of all-time, quite comfortably. 100 games is the minimum judgement of players for me, which may be a little high, but I'll look at reviewing it.

 

[Ikki]

Because Warne's statistics do not come close to comparing to the likes of Hadlee, Holding, Ambrose, Marshall, Chatfield, Pollock, Muralitharan, McGrath, Imran and Wasim. No doubt you'll point to Warne's World Cup record, but even it isn't as good as some of the bowlers I have listed.

If only Joel Garner had played two more games then in my mind he would be undoubtedly the best ODI bowler of all-time, quite comfortably. 100 games is the minimum judgement of players for me, which may be a little high, but I'll look at reviewing it.

Are you ****tin' me? Have you ever looked at all the stats?

And of course, in WCs overall and their finals:

Warne EASILY compares. How did you even get to "doesn't come close to". And then these aren't just stats; he owns heroic innings not replicated by other greats. People have made their top 10 lists and whilst each to their own, the lack of Warne appearing is a serious misjudgment.

 

[Dasa]

I heard Warne was the greatest batsman, fielder, wicketkeeper and captain of all time. Blows the rest out of the water, he does.

 

[Ikki]

I heard Warne was the greatest batsman, fielder, wicketkeeper and captain of all time. Blows the rest out of the water, he does.

Oh please...

 

[Migara]

KaZoH0lic is deliberetely ommiting Shane Bond's statistics in World cup.

 

[Migara]

and World cup is not everything, if it is the case Bond is the best ODI bowler hands down.

 

[Ikki]

KaZoH0lic is deliberetely ommiting Shane Bond's statistics in World cup.

and World cup is not everything, if it is the case Bond is the best ODI bowler hands down.

Deliberately? Not at all. Firstly, I mentioned the bowlers Perm listed and, secondly, Shane Bond's career has been too short: only 67 ODIs overall. If he continues, he could well be the greatest ODI bowler of all time. It is a real shame he is injured so often. I think when fit he IS the best bowler in the world. He's a bowler I get great pleasure in watching.

And I didn't say it was everything. But the argument was Warne doesn't even have the overall stats to compare, which he easily does and his WC record is not as great as the others in which it is in most cases, by far.

Anyway:

 

[Perm]

Are you ****tin' me? Have you ever looked at all the stats?

No, I am not "****tin you", and yes I have looked at all the stats.

And of course, in WCs overall and their finals:

Warne EASILY compares. How did you even get to "doesn't come close to". And then these aren't just stats; he owns heroic innings not replicated by other greats. People have made their top 10 lists and whilst each to their own, the lack of Warne appearing is a serious misjudgment.

In the overall ODI stats Warne has the worst economy rate of all those bowlers, by a reasonable margin. Not too mention he also has the fourth worst average, while strike rate is largely insignificant compared to the other statistics. His World Cup statistics are impressive, I agree, but there are others who have similar or better records, and have been better throughout their career. I would say the inclusion of Warne above some other greats of the game is a serious judgement, as it appears people have judged him more on aura than actual career performances.

 

[Fiery]

In the overall ODI stats Warne has the worst economy rate of all those bowlers, by a reasonable margin. Not too mention he also has the third best average, while strike rate is largely insignificant compared to the other statistics.

I think you mean 3rd worst average (in fact it is 4th worst)

 

[Ikki]

In the overall ODI stats Warne has the worst economy rate of all those bowlers, by a reasonable margin. Not too mention he also has the third best average, while strike rate is largely insignificant compared to the other statistics. His World Cup statistics are impressive, I agree, but there are others who have similar or better records, and have been better throughout their career. I would say the inclusion of Warne above some other greats of the game is a serious judgement, as it appears people have judged him more on aura than actual career performances.

You're quite wrong. SR is one of the most important statistics in that evaluation. In fact, if you reason it out into a game-situation: 3 less runs per wicket, will yield a difference of about 6 runs, considering usually these bowlers take no more than 2 wickets per match. Yet if we look at the SR, a difference of 3 balls per wickets taken, assuming the same 2 wickets are taken, will save you 6 balls. So what would you rather have in a ODI match, 6 runs to lead or 6 balls to spare?

So quite easily he compares with the greatest ODI bowlers of all time. Considering the heroics he's had in WCs - the only ODI tournament that actually means something - and how far ahead he is of the others it is quite senseful to put him ahead of most if not all of them.

So, whether putting Warne at #1 is wrong is not the question because there is no real 'right' answer anyway and his nomination for the top spot is just as good as any.

 

[Perm]

I think you mean 3rd worst average (in fact it is 4th worst)

Ah, correct. Fixed

 

[Fiery]

Ah, correct. Fixed